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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Here is a video of Kyle Eschen presenting the Sympathic silks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tEEy_a2NA&feature=related He presents a little different idea on the effect. Instead of the knots traveling from one group of silks to the other group group of silks. He says the silks will exchange places with each other, from one spectator to the other. Does this change the classic theme of the trick? |
JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
A transposition is in reality a double transportation. Meaning that the state or conditions of two items are transposed. (OH NO! This is starting to read like a page from Maskelyne and Devant!) It could be presented as a different theme, even if the methodology is the same.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Still I thought it interesting that the trick becomes something else with only a word being changed.
What else could be said to change the routine to a complete different presentation? |
Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
I'd like to think nothing really vanishes. It all just travels some place else. Usually, back home.
Michael J.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
The concept of "exchange" allows that the condition of "knot-no" is as real as the condition of "knot-yes" -- consistent with "set theory" in math. I have always done the effect as having the knots untie themselves while the others magically tie themselves -- a third alternative of Animation rather than either Transference or Exchange.
Since a single word can indeed change the flow of the presentation it is essential to be congruous with whatever approach is used.
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
Good point funsway! Indeed the effect could be presented as animation...of the knots having sentient qualities that allow them to obey (or not) your commands.
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
I've never given the premise any real thought. I guess that’s because I don’t do the effect as a talking piece. I allow the imagination of the spectator to fill in the gaps (the what has occurred). I’ve watched Slydini and General Grant do their versions silent to music. Neither explained to the audience what was happening or set a premise. It just happened.
I try to imagine what a deaf person or a non-English speaking person would see. A couple of handkerchief’s (if you are Al Baker or Slydini) or more are knotted. A second set is not knoted. A magical pass and the handkerchiefs in the first set are now not knotted and those in the other set are. Whatever your premise it is all the same effect. Is it important? Maybe to a talking act but probably not.
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
I would have to disagree Harry...The premise is directly related to how the effect is presented and determines the effect.
An example : Is the Zombie an effect of an animated ball, a magnetic ball that clings to the cloth, or a levitating object? With or without patter, the effect should be clear in the mind of the performer so that he or she can communicate and express that effect to the audience (either verbally or non verbally). 'Muddy' effects never establish themselves clearly in the mind of the audience. This is not unlike what what written in Our Magic" when describing most billiard routines" "Oh, he did all sorts of things...." Regards-JNeal
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
I stand corrected, you are exactly right. In your (the magician's) mind the effect needs a clear premise.
Unfortunately, for a silent act the premise is unspoken and the entire premise of the routine must be communicated to the Audience non-verbally. The Zombie is a ball that floats, sticks to a cloth, and levitates. What is going on in magician's mind is his sub-text and internal dialogue. A good actor can convey this subtext but many magicians (me included I think) are not good actors. Some don’t even understand that they are acting.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I usually follow the traditional "sympathetic" line one knot at a time, but once after I showed that the first knot had move to the second set a little girl cried out, "It's like an invisible butterfly!" So, I called her up front and her prented to carry the know from one pile to the next to the cheers of the crowd.
I always end with producing something from the bundle of silks. This time it happened to be a rabbit -- which she then got to sit and hold while I continued with the show. For me the best magic is always what I didn't plan.
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jeangenie New user 16 Posts |
Levent has a great sympatheitic silk routine
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Yes, Levent does have a good routine for the Sympathetic Silks, as does Dick Stoner, Charlie Miller, Paul Potassy, Ken Brooke, and a host of others.
What I was hoping to do is create some dialogue and thought provoking issues, being this has come to my attention with the Act of Kyle Eschen, he stated that his silks exchanged places, contrary to the classic plot of the knots traveling from one group silks to the other group of silks. I just found it kind of interesting, that, with a word the complete effect has changed. All three silks fly from one spectator's hand to the other spectator's hand, and visa versa. Is this therefore a new effect and not the Sympathetic silks, but some form of the traveling silks? If so how can one person enhance the presentation further? |
JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
I'd like to elaborate further on what WmHegBil has postulated, but being on a cruise ship with very high internet rates(much like my pal Levent!) I will wait until next week when I am home to comment at any length.
JNeal
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