|
|
|
|||
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts 
|
I'm not sure...
Bob Cassidy’s 4th Dimensional Telepathy routine Confabulation Are these 2 routines too similar to perform together in an act?
www.theambitiouscard.com Hand Crafted Magic
Trophy Husband, Father of the Year Candidate, Chippendale's Dancer applicant, Unofficial World Record Holder. |
parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts
|
4th dimension telepathy is not a prediction.
Confabulation is. So, it's two different effect. There are not at all similar.
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
<BR>Oscar Wilde experimentaliste <br> <BR>Artist pickpocket Professional <BR> <BR>Looking for the best book test in French? send me a PM! |
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
|
Yes, the routines are completely different; one is mind reading, confabulation is a prediction effect. There wouldn't be any problem to perform them in the same set. I've done it. Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de |
|
illusioneer Special user NYC 752 Posts
|
I'm not sure either.
I see more the Cassidy routine being an example of Telepathy/direct thought reading and a "Confabulation" as more of a prediction effect (which, for posterity's sake, Cassidy claims he stays away from these types of effects in his books.) Just my quick two cents but that's an interesting question! Posted: Nov 10, 2010 1:29pm ---------------------------------- Haha, those other guys nailed it on the head. My internet cut out and I got to post it 10 minutes late. But yeah, what those guys said. 
Things are about to change........ LIGHTS!!!
|
|
Mentalist Sam Regular user 173 Posts
|
Quote:
On 2010-11-10 13:10, Frank Starsini wrote: Just have to ask, but why are you not sure? Whether you're building your act as a magician or a mentalist, isn't understanding what the effect is one of the basics? Now I know you're asking so you do understand, but wouldn't reading the description of the effect be enough to know what the effect is? And if you've started working with the routines, you certainly should understand the effects. Frank, I don't mean to sound rude about this, but as a mentalist it is frustrating to see more and more magicians try to perform mentalism, but are clueless as to what they're really doing. |
|
leechiswell Regular user England 108 Posts
|
I agree that one is a prediction and the other telepathy/clairvoyance, so they are quite different. You can build a totally different presentation for each that would set them apart completely in the spectator's minds. Confabulation can be presented in an almost unlimted number of ways, car make & model, holiday postcards etc. Build up the presentations enough and the effect that they have in the minds of the audience will be radically different even though the methods you are using might be similar.
|
|
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts
|
Quote:
On 2010-11-10 14:59, Mentalist Sam wrote: I know exactly what the 2 effects are and what is different about them. I already do a mentalism act, albeit far less often. I do a confab routine in my act laready. My question should have been worded differently. I'm wondering from a spectator's perspective if they might think the 2 effects were "the same but different".
www.theambitiouscard.com Hand Crafted Magic
Trophy Husband, Father of the Year Candidate, Chippendale's Dancer applicant, Unofficial World Record Holder. |
Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts
|
Quote:
No. If you frame your presentation in a simple and credible way they will understand the difference. Telepathy happens in the moment and is a process. You don't receive a flash of illumination and just wrote the thought name ( that is bad mentalism). You need to create a telepathy scenario in which not only the "thought name" is the goal, but the experiences and/or side effects ( as Mr. Cassidy label that idea) are convincers and performance´s strengtheners. Predictions happen already, and you are just checking your precognitive sensations. IMHO 
Pablo
Performer and Author Mentalism Center: The best online space to get quality Mentalism www.mentalismcenter.com Arkanosophy: The Boutique for Mystery Performers www.arkanosophy.com |
|
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts
|
Amirá
Good points. Thanks! Quote:
On 2010-11-10 14:59, Mentalist Sam wrote: I agree. I see more and more mentalists try to do magic and seem completely clueless as to what they are really doing as well. I would assume, however, that the thoughtful performer will do well at either one.
www.theambitiouscard.com Hand Crafted Magic
Trophy Husband, Father of the Year Candidate, Chippendale's Dancer applicant, Unofficial World Record Holder. |
robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1747 Posts
|
Frank,
I think from an audience member's perspective, the two might have the same feel. The minimal, ordinary props used in Fourth Dimensional Telepathy, make for an amazing, astonishing and lasting effect. When I speak with people after my shows, I try to get a sense of what they liked and what they did not like so much. I generally get this reaction, "I liked it all, but the one where you asked the name of a friend and a pet was really good." As for those magicians who do mentalism and don't know why, I know exactly why I do what I do. I provide entertainment in the world of awe, mystery and wonder, which includes magic and mentalism. I perform what I do for maximum impact and entertainment. I do not feel compelled to follow these so-called rules of others as to what I can perform and what I cannot. I do not advertise my services, but I get a good number of calls. Often when people see me in public, they ask about my magic. They hire me, and they recommend me to others. My character is not dark and brooding, so my mix of magic and mentalism works. Perhaps if I wore black and adorned a widow's peak, then perhaps straight mentalism would be the way to go. At any rate, I love 4DT, and it is my "blockbuster" effect before my closing. Bobby I know I am getting far afield, but
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
|
|
parmenion Inner circle Switzerland/Zürich 3988 Posts
|
Old topic !
You don't need to wear black clothes and to have a dark character to perform mentalism. In the same way you don't need to wear a bright yellow,blue,red suits with star on it, neither to laugh like a hyena and look yourself surprise to each effet you do when you perform magic. Now, when you mix-up magic and mentalism, yes, the mentalism is less strong, it's a fact. Now if you add some mental magic to you magic set, you magic set become stronger. But it's still magic.
“I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about.”
<BR>Oscar Wilde experimentaliste <br> <BR>Artist pickpocket Professional <BR> <BR>Looking for the best book test in French? send me a PM! |
|
KiKi Inner circle GERMANY/ Hannover 1143 Posts
|
Now, when you mix-up magic and mentalism, yes, the mentalism is less strong, it's a fact.
[/quote] what??? |
|
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts
|
For Sale: bright yellow, blue and red suit with stars on it.
www.theambitiouscard.com Hand Crafted Magic
Trophy Husband, Father of the Year Candidate, Chippendale's Dancer applicant, Unofficial World Record Holder. |
|
robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1747 Posts
|
I am not looking for strong, I am looking for entertaining. I don't need anyone believing I have special powers. I want them to have fun and be amazed.
Bobby p.s. What size is the suit?
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
|
|
Steve Suss Inner circle 1193 Posts
|
Quote: Does it come with instructions on the a Hyena laugh?LOL
On 2010-11-11 11:26, Frank Starsini wrote: Steve |
MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts
|
Hey Frank, I don't do 4DT or Confabulation, but what I have noticed in creating my set is that it works best (at least for me) is if you thread together your presentation so that they are consistent with your "power"/theme. I find, at least in my experience, disparity from one audience member to the next as far as picking a "favorite". So I don't worry about it, I do what I do, all strong (I do look for "strong"), solid and entertaining pieces but all consistent with Mind Reading (I stopped doing PK and Precognition mixed in unless I absolutely, absolutely must add time) each effect building in perceived difficulty with the final effect being the pinnacle effect. That's been successful in my limited experience as a convert to Mentalism.
Carlo DeBlasio
<BR>Entertainment specialist <BR>and all around fun guy! |
|
leondo Special user Las Vegas 759 Posts
|
This was a joke thread....right!
Ted L |
|
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
|
Quote:
On 2010-11-13 19:50, leondo wrote: At least I hope so ... Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de |
| The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Penny for your thoughts » » 4th Dimensional Telepathy vs. Confabulation (0 Likes) | |
Posted: Nov 10, 2010 06:10 pm 
| [ Top of Page ] |
|
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.03 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
|
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < 
|