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magicsoup Elite user 461 Posts |
Anyone have any opinions on this routine? I saw it at the Hocus Pocus site.
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
Solid routine, clean and deceptive, good bits o' business and a strong ending. Good stuff!
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marknem7 Elite user 497 Posts |
Who was it that also put out a thumb tie routine using zip ties? This was about five or six years ago.
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jesse_james_mcguire Regular user 172 Posts |
@ Marknem7. Kenton Knepper I think
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JTW Special user Florida 670 Posts |
Just got it... after a few days of rehearsing its ready to go into my shows. I have a feeling this is going to be a real worker for me.
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Hondo Regular user 147 Posts |
I've bought it, too. It's so great!
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Kennyart New user 28 Posts |
Same for me.. it's great.
Didn't try it in public situation but worked well at home with my partner. |
Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
I mentioned this in another thread regarding Joe Monte's thumb tie routine and wondered if any of those who have used it have any comment on whether the audience instantly get what the item is that is being used to secure the thumbs?
It seems to me that if the entire audience doesn't already have a hands on knowledge of what cable ties are and how they work then the routine has a real hurdle to get over before it can hope to be really effective. Maybe in the US these are household items and so are familiar to the public at large? Either way it'd be interesting to hear from those that have introduced them into their working sets.
Neal Austin
"The golden rule is that there are no golden rules." G.B. Shaw |
RC4MAG Special user 563 Posts |
I have seen this performed and the performer took out several cable ties and demo'ed the working of the tie first with one of them then threw it away over his shoulder. This should help explain the prop to anyone not familiar with a cable tie.
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bsears Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 1040 Posts |
There was a cable-tie thumb-tie published in the linking ring not to long ago. As I recall, the method on that one struck me as kind-of obvious. Not sure how this compares.
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Martino Special user Manchester, UK 928 Posts |
Who doesn't know about cable ties/zip ties????
"There's a difference between not knowing how something is done and knowing it can't be done!" - Simon Aronson
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The Baldini Inner circle I some how pounded in 2445 Posts |
I have the Kenton Knepper Black Tie, and I just recieved the Joe Monti DVD, both are simple to do and people relly enjoy seeing it,
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Martino wrote:
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Who doesn't know about cable ties/zip ties???? With nothing to go on other than intuition I'd guess that maybe around 50% plus of the general population was completely unaware of them. There are those people that have seen versions of them on packaging. (although they tend to look different as they have normally had their 'tails' cut off) I suspect most of these people have never given them more than a passing glance as they cut them free and consequently will maybe know they can be used to secure things but won't know how they work and whether they are efficient means of tying someone's thumbs together. As RC4MAG wrote: Quote:
I have seen this performed and the performer took out several cable ties and demoed the working of the tie first with one of them then threw it away over his shoulder. This should help explain the prop to anyone not familiar with a cable tie. Performing a thumb tie where the only knowledge that a large percentage of an audience has of the prop (on which the routine hinges) comes from a few seconds chat from the magical performer does not, to me, feel like a good place to start an effect. I think thumbcuffs have a similar problem. I was just interested to hear from those that actually use this routine if they feel this is an issue. And if it is an issue do they never the less feel that the payoff of the to spectators tied together makes up for it? Aside from my doubts about the familiarity of cable ties and their contribution to creating a 'solid routine' I'd agree with Scott Alexander's assessment of the routine; that it is, "clean and deceptive, good bits o' business and a strong ending. Good stuff!".
Neal Austin
"The golden rule is that there are no golden rules." G.B. Shaw |
The Baldini Inner circle I some how pounded in 2445 Posts |
With the cable tie as a "prop" if you are unsure that your audience does not know what it is, then simply tell them, it is used by police for.... and electricians use it to.... you get the picture as will the audience, in fact those who do not know what a cable or zip tie is, the story will be even stronger, and since they are so cheap, you can give them away if you want.
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Dave, I understand that the strategy you suggest is one that can be used. I even made reference to the same strategy as suggested by RC4MAG.
My point is that this does not seem like a good starting point for an effect. I see it as being a potential built in weakness. My question is, is this borne out by those who have bought and used it? Like I said in my previous post, I think the thumbcuffs suffer with the same problem. As the thumb tie can be performed using all sorts of things that are very familiar to the general public why use something with which they may not be familiar? In this particular case I'm guessing it's to enable the pay off which is indeed strong. Does this mitigate the possible weakness of using unfamiliar items as ties? Is there no perceived weakness from this anyway? Can the routine forgo the magic as it's looked on by the audience as primarily a comedy routine?
Neal Austin
"The golden rule is that there are no golden rules." G.B. Shaw |
The Baldini Inner circle I some how pounded in 2445 Posts |
Joe Monti has done this thousands of times for years and you can find him here on the Café, he will tell you it has never been an issue that someone does not know what a zip tie is.
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