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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
If you clicked on this then you probably knew who she was.
This NY Times article tells a little more about her and her committed activism which some may not have known about: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/arts/music/01rotolo.html BTW a really fun book I recently finished tells all about the different "Girls in the song" for those who may have wondered: The girl in the song : the true stories behind 50 rock classics / Michael Heatley [& Frank Hopkinson].
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
When you look over Bob Dylan's works, you get the impression that anger and vindictiveness are the primary emotions that he experiences more vividly than anything else. Think about "Like a rolling stone," "Positively fourth street," "Just like a woman," "It aint me, babe," and so on. Wonder how much of that relates to his breakup from Suze.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Poor ol' Suze...there were some lovley photos of her taken back in the 60s.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
The picture of her on the cover of that Bob Dylan album I have had around my house since I was 20. RIP Suze
Woland You are talking about the works of Bob Dylan in his 20's, and in a couple months he will turn 70.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Al,
Well, those were his greatest works, were they not? We could probably have a lot of fun reviewing his entire catalogue. I think "Tangled Up in Blue" is a great piece, especially with its reference to Ezra Pound's edition of Guido Cavalcanti. It is certainly not as angry and spiteful as those earlier songs, but it is also a song about looking back on a series of fialures (or is it one?) Maybe it's the Suze Rotolo break-up as viewed by an older and wiser man. But still, I would say, marked by bitterness. Woland |
Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
There's an angry Dylan song where he talked about her sister, but I don't remember the title. I looked on my ipod, and I don't have that one. The story of struggling tormented youth is a very old story.
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
There was an old interview with her on NPR today. Great story about the album cover her an Bob were on.
"If you ever write anything about me after I'm gone, I will come back and haunt you."
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Not even Phil Ochs was an angry as Bob Dylan. Just saying.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I love Bob Dylan and maybe it is all relative but I never thought of Bob as angry. He always kind of wrote and played to suit the audience he was after. He played rock in the 50s and had a certain style, changed his style to be more Woody Guthrie like with the twang and wrote and sang for the folkies and then switched to the singer/songwriter with electric mixed in when that started to become popular. He's a brilliant writer and performer.
Tangled Up In Blue is one of my favorites of his by the way, great song. Take it Bob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSZvHqf9qM |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-03-01 09:56, Woland wrote: According to the book I mentioned above, "It Ain't Me Babe" was about Joan Baez. And as for the anger thing--has anyone yet written as bitter a song as Positively 4th Street?
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Didn't Suze have a sister that was instrumental in Dylans life or was that Baez who had a sister?
Dang, love that Positively 4th Street. I think It Ain't Me Babe is more of a stick in the eye though just because of the ending. Versions by Johnny Cash, The Turtles, and The Joanster herself are pretty good. |
LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-03-01 22:32, landmark wrote: If bittersweet counts as a subgenre of bitter, then I'd nominate Ms. Baez - I find Diamonds and Rust more haunting then just about any memories I have of my own breakups.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Yes great great song; I've been driving my wife crazy the last few weeks with it. There's a nice YouTube video of Joan and Judy Collins doing a duet of it just a few years ago. It's quite poignant when they get to the line "Ten years ago, I bought you cufflinks," and they sing instead, "FORTY years ago . . ."
But that is not even a pimple on the backside of a flea in bitterness compared to Positively 4th Street. "You'd rather see me paralyzed . . ." This is a whole new genre of song; and I don't think anyone else has joined him. BTW, I liked the song a lot when I was younger and angrier.
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foolsnobody Special user Buffalo, NY 843 Posts |
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On 2011-03-01 20:47, Al Angello wrote: That's Ballad in Plain D from Another Side of Bob Dylan Al. |
foolsnobody Special user Buffalo, NY 843 Posts |
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On 2011-03-01 22:38, MagicSanta wrote: Joan Baez' sister Mimi married Richard Fariña and all of them including Dylan were part of the Boston folk scene at Club 47 and in Greenwich Village. Also part of the Boston Scene was Eric Von Schmidt from whom Dylan learned Baby Let Me Follow You Down. And Fariña, besides being a fine folksinger and poet was also the author of that classic of the time "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me." |
MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Yes! It was Mimi. Thank you sir.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
A very funny book, but also angry and arrogant. Somehow the only scene I remember is one in which the narrator, a sort of idealized version of the author, mercilessly insults a woman working behind the counter at a school Caféteria.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I think Positively Fourth Street was also addressed to the folk music fans who abandoned him after Newport.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Foolsnobody
Thank you for joging my memory "the ballad in plain D" tells it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC5sO6cpA-Y
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