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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
I know he probably didn't mention my name because he doesn't really know me, you were just speaking in general to everyone at this forum who was interested in this device; am I assuming correctly. If this is true, I still stand by my statement that he was talking to not only me but to everyone here when he said that there were going to be some nice surprises.
Thank you Doc |
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
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On 2011-05-16 13:43, Tony45 wrote: Same one. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
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On 2011-05-17 02:20, Unknown419 wrote: What the hell is that? I'm getting interested now... |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
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On 2011-05-17 17:26, AMcD wrote: The screw that's missing from Jim Riser's card trimmer photos that I spoke about some years back. Oh and by the way the footage of your N-Stripper technique is wanting. Why? The technique that you used in your video footage can be done the same exact way with regular strippers; no one can tell the difference and the way that you show your cards at the end of the footage is not how you show that you're using N-Strippers. Doc |
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts |
Doc,
invaluable information reading your posts, as always! I'm still learning new things every time you write about something. All the best, my friend. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Wanting?
How do you want me to show it? From the side of deck? |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
From the way you shuffled and handled the deck and inserted the two aces, it looked to me as if you were using N-Strippers but how can individuals who don't know anything about N-Strippers know that you were using N-Strippers? This is the area that I mean is found wanting, not your skill of execution.
Is it not true that the feat that you did with your N-Strippers can actually be done with regular strippers as well? Is it not true that you can do this feat with Concave, Convex, Wedge and Points? My question is directed to you because these readers don't what they're looking at or know what they're looking for nor what questions to ask. How in the world can they know what they are looking at if you don't explain it to them and when you did try to explain what you did by showing them the two cards, you did that wrong as well. What do you mean Doc? How can anyone see from a video clip that the two cards that you were showing them was cut 1/64th of an inch without putting it up against a regular card and neither did you put any of the two cards back into the deck to show them any difference in the cut etc. Now you're writing to the forum that you never knew about the n-stripper screw on the better card trimmers. I honestly believe that you have the basics of n-stripper knowledge but the work goes way further than what you have showed in your footage. What I mean is the different techniques that's used for the different types of games that are played. I hope that this has cleared things up regarding what I said. Take care, Respectfully, Doc |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
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On 2011-05-17 23:35, Unknown419 wrote: I just watched it again and I fully agree with you. I could use any other stripper system it would look almost the same. Good point you make here. Quote:
On 2011-05-17 23:35, Unknown419 wrote: Hmm. I wasn't exposing how N-Strippers are made (at least mine), I was just showing one way to use them Doc. Again, I agree with you about the fact that it would have looked more or less the same if I had used a convex system. The sides of the deck are visible many time though and I'm a man of a word, if I tell people I'm using N-Strippers, it's because I do. Quote:
On 2011-05-17 23:35, Unknown419 wrote: Doc, I've never used a card trimmer. I've been instructed about N-Strippers by one guy a few years ago. Since then I grasped additional information from books/booklets, 2 or 3 videos, but I mainly "improved" it by myself. I'm not part of a professional crew, I know just a few card cheats and you know better than me that kind of information is pretty hard to get. Whenever I can, I exchange tips with other "card players" but I'm not making a living out of it like you do, just some extra-money or "gas money" as Z told me once. I "work" alone and I play only one game, Poker (I play several variants though). My stuff is stacking. Stacking and second deal. About the N-Strippers I use. I only put the work on one side. In that video I simply used a nail file. 1/64 inch is 0.4 mm, you're wrong on this point, I'm under 0.4, it's about 0.25. Almost impossible to see without using a caliper rule. |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
My bad, I'm sorry for assuming that you used a card trimmer before. I assumed this because you wanted to purchase holdouts etc. so I wrongly assumed that you were already working with a card trimmer. For the record the way that you're doing it now is the best way. Actually a card trimmer limits you to only a few techniques while the way you're doing it now lets you do all the techniques and to make a whole box of strippers at the same time.
If this die cutter that Mr. Porper is making is made correctly, we will have various kinds of cutting blades for all the various type of techniques that the sharper uses besides micrometer readings for the various size decks. We will have blades for those who are left handed and those who are right handed. We will have a two different blades to make top and side shorts, another blade for right handed end shake-outs, another for left handed end shake-outs, a concave/convex blade for end work and another concave/convex blade for edge work, another blade for wedge strippers and another for points and another blade specially made for the lock-ups (strippers). AMcD let me specify one thing about making any type of strippers no matter how impossible it is for the sucker to see, if they don't jump out the deck when you pull them they don't mean "Jack." I was refining my work to the point where I couldn't even pull them and a hustler told me, "what's all that for," "if you don't look natural pulling them you're going to rank the move to the table any way and get us both killed." "Forget all of that magic bull **** and give me them *** cards and let me do it for you get us killed." LOL AMcD these here magicians have subliminally brain-washed us to be perfect in every detail when we cheat but lack like hell when they perform their tricks. Take care, Respectfully, Doc |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Lol.
I really like to read you man. Again I agree with you. About Magicians. No disrespect to them, I know many of them and I really like many of them. Watching Ricky Jay or Lennart Green (just to name 2) is always a nice moment to me. But sometimes they are really a pain in the ass with their quest for perfect and flawless sleights (which very few of them are able to perform though). How many times I had almost arguments about apparently important things to them, like the noise of the second deal or the 1/64th 3rd finger flash during a bottom deal. Being perfect is the great goal to achieve. If I could have 50% of Steve Forte skills it would be so great. No one can say that trying to get the most deceptive move is a waste of time. All of us would like to be perfect and we should try to reach that. But there is the real world. Poor lighted rooms, noisy rooms, smoke filled rooms, worn decks, poor seats, bad condition mats, etc. I'd like to deal as fast as some guys here but I don't need it and in my context it wouldn't help me. I'd like to be barely audible when I second deal, but who cares when 10 guys are talking loud during the deal? Same with double duking and so on. When it's possible, why not? But it's hard enough to make a hand for me. I'm obsessed with information coming from everyone and everywhere, I try to adapt, improve, etc. But what matters to me is what I can use in my context. If I had the money, sure, I'd be a big collector, trimmers, holdouts, etc. But prices are absolutely crazy. The Porper trimmer looks like a fantastic piece of machinery, but 4 grands... I mean, if you can make big money out of it, why not? But, if I understand well, it's far from being a tool really fitting hustlers needs. Thus, apart from collecting purposes or Magic decks, I find it very expensive. I'd prefer to put that money in electronic cheating devices. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I thought it was a machine for niether magicians nor hustlers but for the people who make and sell stripper decks to them. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
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On 2011-05-18 05:00, tommy wrote: Bravo, Tommy, Bravo !! |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@tommy,
Just buy one of those "stripped" decks they sell in Magic shops. They aren't manufactured using such an expensive tool! My guess is they have been cut using a cleaver or a jigsaw. At best. Some of them have been cut using a beaver, I would bet on that. |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Doc,
You completely mis-represented my post and my point. I've known Joe for about 10 years and I'm very familiar with his product line, as I see it once or twice a year at major magic conventions. Joe isn't setting out to "con" anybody or "lie" to anybody. Neither is Pete Biro, who is just making conversation about a friend of his that has a new product in the works. Neither am I trying to lie or con anybody. Why you would use such strong words is beyond me. We may have a difference of opinion, but everyone here is using their real names and not trying to pull any fast ones. My point is simply this: hustlers aren't Joe's primary market. One or two hustlers (like yourself) may find his products useful and buy them, but I can assure you he didn't say to himself, "I'm going to make the perfect card trimming tool for hustlers." Joe doesn't market to hustlers, he markets to magicians. More importantly, with a product this expensive, he's likely aiming at a higher clientele than the average magician. He's aiming for guys with money (in other words, the collectors). Now, he probably won't care who winds up buying them (if it sells it sells, right?), but that's different from saying he set out to make the perfect hustling-based card trimmer. Yes, I'm assuming this, but with Joe's history it makes perfect sense: he knows there is a market for another trimming device and he has some ideas on how to make it interesting and useful, as well as perhaps unique in the market. That'll sell! Good for Joe, he's a friend and I hope he sells them all! And he may even incorporate some ideas that you give him (or other magicians or hustlers). But to think that he set out to create a trimmer just for hustlers to use is ridiculous. Jason
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Jason If I was off base then I'm sorry and I very much apologize..
Respectfully, Doc |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Jason hit it right. Doc, you know you don't "tip" sources that wish to remain anonymous. That's why I didn't, and won't, give the name of the guy I referred to in my original post. But I will tell you he is one of the TOP HANDFUL OF CREATIVE AND SKILLED guys in magic. He has the prototype of Joe's new machine and says it's methodology outdoes any machine he's ever seen or used.
About making only 10... I missed on that. Joe said the materials and outside work needed are a huge investment, but if he sells all 10 he'll then be able to afford a second run of 10 more. So, now let's wait and see. He is "hoping" to have one at the IMX convention in Las Vegas starting tomorrow (Mon.) BE WELL, now that the world didn't end yesterday.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Any news on this yet Pete?
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