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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Two economists, a Canadian and an American, have calculated the net effect of the American Recovery & Reinvestment Act (the "Stimulus"). It aint pretty. The report can be found here, with all the data and charts:
Their conclusions? Quote:
Our benchmark results suggest that the ARRA created/saved approximately 450 thousand state and local government jobs and destroyed/forestalled roughly one million private sector jobs. State and local government jobs were saved because ARRA funds were largely used to offset state revenue shortfalls and Medicaid increases rather than boost private sector employment. The majority of destroyed/forestalled jobs were in growth industries including health, education, professional and business services. Net loss of 500,000 jobs. In the most productive "growth" sectors. In order to preserve tax-eaters that are a further drag, further friction, on the economy. Heckuva job, Barry! Woland |
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From the linked paper:
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Even before the legislation was passed, Bernstein and Romer (2009) reported that 3.6 million jobs would be created or saved by the then envisioned legislation, relative to a no stimulus act baseline. This was based on existing estimates of scal policy multipliers. Their estimates included both the tax and spending components of the ARRA. So the authors acknowledge that there are a number of studies that disagree with theirs. So why aren't you linking to them and saying "good job, Barry"? I'm no economist by any stretch, so I cannot pretend to be able to adjudicate between the conflicting claims. What makes this one so compelling, Woland? John
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Methodology.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-05-18 06:07, Woland wrote: Wrong again, sorry. Both are Americans. Conley just works in Canada, but is an American (according to his CV anyway). Y'all got that unemployment thing going on down your way, don'tcha know. http://economics.uwo.ca/faculty/conley/cv.pdf
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts |
Look around you. If you can't see that it's not pretty then get your peepers checked.
You know why don't act naive.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Canada actually presents an interesting comparative case, though, doesn't it? There has not been a mortgage/real estate meltdown in Canada, in part because the Canadian government never established a program to force banks to write mortgages for people who couldn't afford them, and in part because, unless I am mistaken, a secondary market (and its attendant distortions of risk) for Canadian mortgages does not exist as it does in the US.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-05-18 11:06, Woland wrote: There is a secondary market for mortgages in Canada. And the Canadian government has also (from time to time) enacted policies to encourage home ownership. Just one example, and related to the points above, you might like to explore: http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/corp/about/index.cfm So I really do not think that either of the things you mentioned were so bad in and of themselves as we have them in Canada and they worked ... I think the problem is that no one exercised restraint or adjusted the corresponding policies in the U.S. when it became appropriate to do so. I think one of the biggest problems in the U.S., when it comes to housing, is that your mortgage interest is tax deductible which induces so many to buy so far beyond their need or means. Of course, now everyone is addicted to that 'entitlement' so it will never change.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Perhaps this is an area in which a quantitative difference resulted in a qualitative difference!
The link you provide is interesting, but serves, I think to emphasize that the mortgage industry in Canada has remained very carefully and conservatively managed, in comparison to the USA, both from the government and secondary-market perspectives. I agree that tax deductability makes things look more affordable than they are. |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Ummm, it took a study to figure out things are bad? 9% unemployment and he told us it would not go above 8% if we gave him his slush fund? That is all it was you know?
It "saved" government union jobs so the union dues could be taken (in come cases automatically) and given to democratic campaign funds. The most growth we have seen is in public secter jobs. This is not a good thimg.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
In no cases automatically taken and given without the individual's consent. Perhaps you were thinking of the stockholders of various corporations.
And the number of public sector jobs has decreased, a mistake made by Limbaugh among others. Plenty of money was given to private industry--much more than funding for public sector jobs. It didn't result in a whole lot of jobs, though it did result in the saving of large bonuses. It's not such a bad thing that some nurses and teachers' jobs were saved.
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