So where is anything new and original in this? There isn't anything that is. If most of you knew more on the history of coin magic and magic in general you would know this. Also you would know there is no reason to be drooling and gushing over any parts of this as it's all been done before.

Are you here to start another fight?

No I'm all for telling the truth and that isn't what is being done here. The revisionist history that you, M.B. and Vinny create does not make it true never has never will. The more such incorrect assertions of "New, improved etc are exposed as such the better.

How about we all create topics on the DVDs which are currently on the market and start breaking them down to prove what's original and what's not? Your turn.

There is no routine on no DVD you couldn't say the same about. That's what I've been trying to push through because that's my idea of magic. The fact that something has not been published yet doesn't mean it's original. Remember what happened to Eni-Where?

If there is nothing original in Therm-o-Chromic I'd love to see a similar routine.
I'd also love to know who came up with the change in 1:59 and 2:12-2:15. Just for the record and crediting purposes.
Same with Marion's stuff. And Vinny's. And Rannie's. And Tim's.
Here's your big chance. Tell us who came up with what and when and the victory's yours. If you are not able to do that and you came here just to say "that's not original", "and that", "AND THAT" maybe you should consider setting up a club for people like you where you could all just sit and moan and bite your fingernails and do nothing constructive.

Everyone can say something is not original. There is not too many people who are able to prove it. And that was proven in the topic called RnB Vanish which was created specifically to show people like you that when two similar products are introduced to the market you will believe that one of the items is perfect and original and the other one is not worth looking at (even though they are pretty much the same). This my friend is called HYPOCRISY.

This discussion was over before it started obviously. You have been brain washed too much already by those that don't know any better even though they should. Sadly in your case it may have already been too set in stone for you to realize the your error in letting them have such an influence over you.

Of course it was. It wasn't even a discussion. You showed your point of view and didn't leave any place for a discussion.

"There isn't anything that is. If most of you knew more on the history of coin magic and magic in general you would know this. Also you would know there is no reason to be drooling and gushing over any parts of this as it's all been done before."

"If there is nothing original in Therm-o-Chromic I'd love to see a similar routine.
I'd also love to know who came up with the change in 1:59 and 2:12-2:15. Just for the record and crediting purposes. "

That's something I am really interested in. Do you have anything to support what you said? And I mean that in a good sense. I'd like to know if the ideas considered to be original are original or not. When you said it's not I assumed you can prove it. If you don't what's the point in saying something like that.

Rad your not interested in anything or anyone that doesn't agree with you, Vinny or M.B. other's have tried to get you to see where your are incorrect before I even said anything. I should have realized that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall as the other's before me have. Have fun not progressing much with Vinny and M.B. Maybe years from now you will see the light. At this point I really doubt it.

Again, that's just talking.
Usually when I am taking part in an argument I support my opinion with some evidence. You are just saying Therm-o-Chromic is not original but do not provide any proof even though I am asking you for it. I am literally asking you to prove me wrong.

Oh I will have fun not progressing with them. Not progressing with them is much more creative and interesting than progressing with folks who do the same routines they learned from some old book 20 years ago and don't even TRY to do something new

Lol.