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dxsare Veteran user 361 Posts |
They both are great cups... actually pretty similar looking in a lot of ways the more I think about it. After lots of daydreaming I've decided to go with the Sherwood Smooth Copper with the deluxe blue/gold balls and matching load balls. I just get this feeling when I think about owning the Sherwoods that I don't quite get with the Foxy's... and I think resale (if ever) will be more profitable with the Sherwoods.
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GWSchott Veteran user Southeastern Michigan 361 Posts |
I just picked up a set of Foxy 3 cups from RNTII and it's been love and first sight. I used to be of the opinion that a cup is a cup is a cup...I mean, can there really be a big enough difference between a $50 set and a $300 set? Ohhhhhhh yeah. The Foxy 3s fit my hand(s) like a glove, which in turn makes just about everything I do with the cups and balls seem easier and more casual. Bravo, RNTII, for a cup well made!
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I'm glad to see G W Schott's post. I have tried to explain this to numerous people who have asked me about cheap cups. I can't even begin to count the number of e-mails that start off "I am looking for a set of cups that I can use for the rest of my life. I want a set of cups that I can settle down with, preferably a combo set. I want the best copper combo set I can get for around $100."
The sad fact is that unless you are able to buy a used set for that kind of price, you won't find a "best copper combo set" for around $100. You might find a "least bad" set. There are some workable combo sets in that price range, but cheap cups simply don't have the weight. That's a fact. During the 1960's and 1970's you could get a silver plated set of Paul Fox cups for $35.00. But those days are long gone.
"The Swatter"
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cwcoe New user 25 Posts |
According to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, $35 in 1970 equates to about $204 in 2011. I'm actually surprised that it's not more like $350 in 2011 since the cost of many items seems to be roughly 10 times their cost from the 60s and 70s. When you consider this, $300 for a set of cups doesn't seem like so much.
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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
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On 2011-09-27 02:58, Bill Palmer wrote: Couldn't agree more!!
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Octopus Sun Special user Wiggle Wiggle 586 Posts |
Yes sir, our prices went up, quality took a dump, the mass mind of the world has no sense of perfection(chinese junk mass production of poisoned products to destroy their world competition) or higher education(easy to take advantage of a ignorant populace), items got smaller...ie the .10 cent Hershey bar and bottle of soda that used to be quite large, then shrunk and increased in cost.
now we live in a puddle of depression, this is not a recession. I just paid 250 for a set of used Johnson cups last night...my 1st real cups after the cheap plastic ones I've been using...kinda excited |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2011-09-27 09:29, cwcoe wrote: That depends on what you are using as your criterion. For example, in 1970, gold was barely above $36 per oz., having peaked in 1969 at roughly $40. In 1965, gasoline was 35 cents a gallon. So there would be many different items that would need to be factored together to get a true representation of values. However, I've found a 10:1 ratio to be pretty close.
"The Swatter"
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allen_m Veteran user Alpine, TX 349 Posts |
Thought I'd revive this thread with a quick question, as I, too am in the market for a new set of cups.
I had a great set of (as I recall)RNT cups some 30 years ago. I wish I still had them. Sadly, the ONLY thing I retained was my copy of "Stars of Magic". Now in my fifties, I have spent the last three or four years reviving my interest and wish to once again hone my skills on this classic. Although I have been unable to find a copy, I like the now out-of-print routine once published by Mr Kent Gunn (anyone selling a copy?!) and wish to purchase a "combo" set. Should I convince myself after some time reviving my skills that I "deserve" such a fine item, surely I will reward myself with engraved silver Sherwood cups; but, for now, I prefer a combo set suitable for carry in a jacket pocket and have narrowed the choice down to either Sherwood Minis or RNT2's Mini Paul Fox combos in polished copper. I live in a historic old copper mining town so copper just seems appropriate. Finally, a couple of questions... The RNT2 cups seem to add an insert to each "standard" cup in order to make the depth (& weight?) identical with the chopped cup. The Sherwood's do not. Should I care??? Second, should I someday convince myself I deserve the beautiful engraved silver Sherwood cups, the "add on" combo cup is described as: Quote:
Single Matching All Silver Combo Cup (one and one half cups, both hand engraved)... I'm not following the 1 1/2 cups reference- can anyone make sense of this to me? I live 100 miles from a terrific brick & mortar shop, but they don't stock such items & I am otherwise pretty isolated living 8 miles from the Mexican border... Hands-on review of cups in anyone else's collection is geographically complicated... Thanks in advance very much! |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I've had lots of cups and lots at the same time. Once I got my Sherwoods I got rid of everything else.
I now have one set of cups. Sherwood smooth coppers.
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volto Special user 603 Posts |
Sherwoods here, too. For me, they seem to make the moves easy.
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On 2011-09-27 23:24, Bill Palmer wrote: Demographics also come into play. I was paying $.18 a gallon for gas in 1972-73
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allen_m Veteran user Alpine, TX 349 Posts |
Thanks for the posts and for all of the PM's... I've even satisfied my quest for Kent Gunn's notes (Thank you!!!)
Looks like Sherwoods in smooth copper it'll be. Maybe a year from now I'll have a routine! Wish me luck guys, my journey continues! |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Sherwoods are said to be phenomenal cups! RNTII made a Paul Fox set (in the 80's?) made from stainless steel, and a generous Café member gifted them to me about a year ago. This is the first professional cup set I've owned, and you're right, it DOES make all the difference!
So a tennis ball won't fit, that makes no difference to me. They are beautiful, perfect weight, and a joy to perform! I'm still working on my routine. I still have several avenues to pursue... Doug |
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