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LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
Me performing another one of my secret weapons the good old punch deal!! Hope ya'll enjoy it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqx3h5Pjfwo Louie L |
poonchingyip Elite user Canada 419 Posts |
JUST TOO NICE <3
Always support you work, Louie - Arthur |
LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
Thank You so much Arthur, I also enjoy watching you perform your great card effects.
Your Friend Louie L |
Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
That was nice. You sounded exactly like Ed Marlo in his demonstration with the exact same cards mentioned.
Doc |
LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
Hi Doc,
Thank you, and yes I do sound like Ed Marlo of whom I am a huge fan of I just don' have the raspy godfather voice lol still working on that I use a different combination of cards but the ones he mentions just sound like they go great together. Louie L |
Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Ed Marlo was my teacher in this area as well. I see that you punch the deck in the same spot that Marlo did that's why your thumb is so far over which is a little bit unnatural and makes you look like you're strangling the deck. Only someone who knows about punch dealing can tell this though. Still your work is excellent.
Take care, Doc |
Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I did like it...But, if I saw someone holding cards like that and dealt that way, it would tip me off that you were getting ready to deal seconds.
Bottom line, even though I did not see anything....the "action" was a "tell". Of course, you will fool people who are not in the know
Long Island,
New York |
LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
Hey Doc,
Yes I punch the cards in the same spot as Ed did as this is the most natural to me when I deal tops or when I deal the punch, and I stay uniform with my take also whether it's the top deal or coming up for the blister. As for the grip I'm using the Walter Scott/Marlo master grip position along with his termed no touch theory technique which I think is quite natural, the top guys I've seen use a regular middle thumb position to do top deals, then when the blister is up, the take is so f($&@"g pardon my french obvious and ugly, I mean what a tell... I've fooled many great card men who are great with this particular grip and take but that's just me. How natural looking is your take and grip... Just curious. Thank you for the compliments also. Your friend and fellow mechanic Louie L |
poonchingyip Elite user Canada 419 Posts |
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On 2011-08-02 23:06, Expertmagician wrote: Now I have a qusetion: it means that no matter how good you can do a strike second, people who have experienced with the deal will always notice it? (just like magicians do DL --- people are still able to notice it easily no matter how good the person does)? - Arthur |
LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
ExpertMagician,
Thank you for watching and commenting on my video, you mentioned if you saw someone holding cards like that and dealing like that it would tip you off that I was getting ready to deal seconds. In terms of holding the cards, I'm holding the cards in a full grip or Marlo master grip position, what's so wrong with this grip as it is natural, Does not Ed Marlo use the same grip? Does the deck in his hands look like such a tell in his videos also? As for the dealing there's a reason for that also, a uniform action is a must when doing deals, many times I've seen card men perform regular tops with a normal take and when it comes time for a deuce-second, or base-bottom, the take looks so horrifcly different, that to me is a huge tell. So my dealing is uniform with my tops and my seconds. As for tipping you off that I would be dealing seconds, well of course, maybe you're a magician as your heading above is or a cardman I don't know, what I do know is you're knowledgeable and of course being in the know with this grip that yes you know maybe what I would be up to. At the end of the day everyone has a different opinion. I'm grateful to chat with all you amazing talented card men on these forums. God Bless Louie L |
LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
Hi Arthur,
Thank You for understanding what I'm trying to say. Louie L |
charliewerner Regular user 164 Posts |
What is natural? Natural means relax, and seems not so important. The way marlo hold the deck, it seems like he very very careful with the deck, perhaps they are playing for a million dollar.... Not in a casual games, where games are play for hundred dollar..
Marlo are more toward a magician and a cheat.. How many cheat he meet in real life? Dai vernon, on the other hand, meet lot of cheater, he know what is natural.. By not moving thumb, it is unnatural... by swinging the hand too much, it is unnatural. Natural grip are the grip your friends using during card game, not by Marlo, Erdnase, or even Vernon... On thing about the video is we don't get to see the top view...which I assume you playing game with someone at least able to see top your deck... Best second dealing is you don't get to see the back color of the second card but only the white border, unless you are using a bee deck. Please do another video of yourself doing it again. I looking forward to watch a view from top because as for punch deal, some people will tend to move a thumb a lot as if to feel.
"Seeing Joy, Sadness, Anger,Contempt,Surprise, Disgust,Fear on people faces are the motivation of my MAGIC" Charlie Werner (C.C.L)
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Here is something that might be of interest - or not...
When doing a demo deal - I find it useful to pick a grip to use for the demo and then when I do the demo I always deal using that grip. Then if I want to fool someone I deal using a different grip - I find it helpful that I have a second I can demo and one I use that goes under the radar. This thinking can be adapted to false cuts and riffle and jog shuffle work as well. I also rarely use the master grip because there is a tell - on the DVD the Cardician if you look close in the demo you can see the tell. However because of the camera angle in this video - it helps cover the tell. Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
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On 2011-11-02 10:56, charliewerner wrote: The way that you're talking I see that you don't play cards for a living. Why? Because any card player knows that when you're sitting, it's impossible to see the top of the deck at eye level unless you're going to stand all game long. It's just like a magician who stands at an angle in order for his on-lookers not see how he is about to do his trick; so on this note he does not have to make another video to show how small his brief is. Magicians always want to see from the top how small a dealers brief is when that does not apply in gambling and when it does apply that's why there is a technique called "The Swing Technique" which prevents the sucker from catching on? Respectfully, Doc |
Vincero Veteran user New Zealand 379 Posts |
I don't get the fascination with wanting a tiny brief... It looks good as far as skill goes, but in the end it just lessens the movement of your dealing thumb. In other words, it makes a nice demo but wouldn't be of much help in an actual game. Bigger is better.
Zac
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost) |
LOUIEL New user 81 Posts |
@Doc
Thanks for clarifying the matter for some on here. @Vincero You're right, a tiny brief is not needed, it's only for showing off to other magicians, hustlers are different, we do use a brief but not really tiny as most think is necessary. PS. I will not make another video for anyone to see how small my brief is, however for those out there who wish to see how the second deal looks like with a tiny brief, check out my channel on YouTube under MrErdnase1 and you will see how fine a brief I can make my seconds look for all of you that are concerned or like to see how fine a brief I can get for demo purposes but doesn't apply at the card table. |
poonchingyip Elite user Canada 419 Posts |
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On 2011-11-03 19:51, Vincero wrote: Mr Jack Carpenter talks about second deal in his dvd that rhythm is the most important thing, and he shows that his brief is frxxking big lol - Arthur |
Vincero Veteran user New Zealand 379 Posts |
Yes rhythm is the most important factor... thumb movement is critical too though, in both hands. People often forget about the taking hand's thumb movement...
It should really sell the illusion of the "top card take". Watch Richard Turner do it when he second deals, he moves the taking hand's thumb in shuch a way, that it creates an amazing illusion. But yes... as far as the brief is concerned, Carpenter will be making it big as to emphasise the movement of his dealing thumb. Zac
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost) |
bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
As I have said many times - the timing and the take is just as important as the choice of grip used. I have never found the strike second that hard to do.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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