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stanalger Special user St. Louis, MO 998 Posts |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Tsk. And tsk.
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My brother is a very very clever man; his comments:
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OK, consider this. My reply: Quote:
think I understand you, but then there's this: My head hurts.
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TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
Again it comes down to _why_ the information is given and if it is _always_ given. Just as for the Monty Hall problem and the "at least one is male" problem. So to answer, the problem needs to be stricter formulated, I think.
/Tomas |
MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
I would tend to give the same answer as Marylin Vos Savant but it occured to me that it would be an interesting gotcha question if after you answered it was revealed that the second number was some some constant that would be instantly recognized by people in a certain field.
For instance let's say you used a 10 sided die and the first roll was 1111111111 and the second roll was 3141592653 Most people with a math background would find these equally unlikely to have been rolled randomly. The less mathematicaly inclined would say the second was the type of thing you would expect to see with random rolls. So an argument against Marylin's conclusion is that she really would have to look at that sequence very hard to decide that it did not seem to be a "known" sequence. |
LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-08-03 15:06, TomasB wrote: Man, we had fun with that one, didn't we, Tomas!? LOL
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
I've directed many people to that thread to show when I finally understood how important the phrasing of the problem is.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=90 Thank you so much for that. /Tomas |
LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-10-31 02:34, TomasB wrote: Wow, thanks for that...I had fun re-reading those. I can't believe it's been 5 1/2 years.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Yes, I too, was engaged with it - it was fun. I took some persuading, but Lobowolf eventually taught me the correct way to look at it. And Tomas's illustration of using an allergy to dogs as part of the decision process, was very helpful too! I can't believe it was so long ago.
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
Albert Einstein |
TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
I see that Richard Wiseman has a similarly poorly phrased puzzle at http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2011......zle-136/
Will be interesting to see his answer on monday. /Tomas |
TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2011......zle-131/
Yup, Richard Wiseman dropped the ball on that one. /Tomas |
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