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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I would like to know how many decks of cards members of the Café use in their Manipulation Card performances.
Usually, I use only 2 decks of cards for productions and 1 deck for Fanning, but my research has shown most professionals use 3 and 4 complete decks of cards. This includes decks of playing cards with colorful back designs for a Fanning Routine. |
JamesRaymond New user Elkhart, IN (USA) 49 Posts |
I don't know how many I will use. I guess that would be determined by your act and your need for the cards. At this stage I am more focusing on the moves themselves and not how many I need or want to manipulate.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
James Raymond, here is Norm Nielsen, can you tell how many steals he makes in his act?
http://youtu.be/mVNWdp-gnwU Here is Channing Pollack, can you tell how many steals he makes in his act? http://youtu.be/3OmjlR6oG2w |
JamesRaymond New user Elkhart, IN (USA) 49 Posts |
These are both wonderful acts. I did not see any in Norms but did catch a few in Channing's. My question to you is why did you ask? And why in the heck did Channing perform surrounded in this type of act?
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The reason I ask this question is because many of the members on the Café, only use one deck and they believe the lazy way is the correct way of manipulating cards. It is a learning exercise, as most members do not pay attention to help them learn from the professionals.
Yes, Norm Nielsen does steal additional loads, loads, but does remove an additional deck from his garment. When he wears his jacket, he use to make an additional steal. |
JamesRaymond New user Elkhart, IN (USA) 49 Posts |
In my mind, "not" knowing when a steal is being made is when the magic happens. I've watched many video's on YouTube and tried burning hands and movement. Some are good at what they do and others look like they are "shouting" look I'm taking more cards from here. I am learning what moves work and which ones need more work done on them to be better.
Thank you for interacting with me and my questions. It's nice to talk to others that like manipulation magic. I go to other sites and it's all about close up cards and passes, half pass, clipshift...etc.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
When one is knowledgable, one doesn't have to actually see or wait for a mistake to know what is going on. This will also help one to learn not how the person in the video did it, but how one can modify their ideas to go the extra mile and create misdirection to cover and improve methods.
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
James, that Pollock clip has been posted and discussed here on the Café' before. Basically it was from one of his films and while capturing his entire act for posterity wasn't a performance for a "real" audience. Those folks sitting behind him and reacting as if they had seen magic were film extras. I imagine that there were several takes edited together to make the film. Here is a later clip (albeit not the complete act) showing what a real paying audience would have seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGMrIJB2Js&feature=related and this of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featur......N_xKW5c0 Those two clips although years apart show how consistent and polished the act was. And another of catching him at a different point in the act (just a brief bit of card work): http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featur......xUEb6_qk When it works it is magic! Bill, to your question. I don't know about what "professional" magicians use. Raymond (The Great Raymond a fellow Marylander and neighbor for a time) could back palm three decks of cards. He produced what seemed like hundreds! He worked with a half dozen decks all red Bee back cards. But Raymond was a tall guy with large, strong hands. I knew him when he was in his 80's. He was a professional magician all his working life, managed to become the President of SAM before he died and performed up to the year of his death. And he still could back palm a couple of decks of cards. My buddy John Novak did a very brief card segment in his assembly act for a couple of season. He used two decks but did not do the exhibition fans. John Fedko uses two decks for exhibition fans and a deck for scaling and several packets of 25 or so cards for the production and vanishing of cards and for the split-fan productions. Silvano used less than a deck for his card sequence. He kept the sequence short and magical. I think he used two packets of about 20 cards. Back in the day when I included a card manipulation sequence I used two sets of contrasting fanning cards (one set was used for the exhibition fans and the other used for the finale for the double fan). I used two packets of 20 cards for the card manipulations. I also had a regular deck of cards that I walked on scaling the cards into the audience. I only scaled maybe 8 to 10 cards to get me on then dropped the balance of the deck into a hat or box. I then openly took out the fanning deck and started the exhibition fans. My actual manipulation sequence was very short. The exhibition fans was the greater part of the routine. After the manipulation segment I’d take out the second fanning deck and pick up the first fanning deck and make the double fan and try for the double deck “buzz saw”. I’d skip the buzz saw finale if I felt it wasn’t going to make (due to my sloppy faro). I'd then end with a large double size fan right out of Ganson. I think that that there is no standard saying that "X" number of decks is what professionals use. Rather I think the professionals develop an act and use the amount of cards/decks that the act requires.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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