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Woland Special user 680 Posts 
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In a civil trial, OJ was in fact held culpable for the killings.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Yes they were at least 51% sure of him being culpable for the killings.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2012-10-25 13:26, tommy wrote: If, and only if, the accused contests the charges against him.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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If a fellow pleads guilty then he is guilty. Then and only then is he not contesting the charges here in England. Obviously then at that monent he is not presumed innocent.
Is it different there in your neck of the woods?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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There's a plea called "No contest" or "No lo contendere." it's not an admission of guilt, per se, but it has e effect of a guilty plea; you go straight to sentencing. The difference is that if you plead guilty, at p,ea can be entered into evidence in a subsequent civil suit, but that's not the case with a no contest plea.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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After the plea called "No contest" can the accused change his mind and enter a not guilty plea?
Also it has just occured to me that Armstrong might be arrested and tried in France, if at all, in which case I am not sure he would be presumed innocent until proven guilty there. People are normally tried where the crime is committed which may be Spain etc. Thanks anyway.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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What about a Scottish court's possible verdict of "Not Proven"?
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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Why discuss court systems when what we have here is far from it? I anticipate, however, someone will make the mistake of taking LA to court to collect some booty, and then this will all be sorted out...
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Slide Special user 533 Posts
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Just saw the Harry Smith interview with the two women who ratted Lance Armstrong out a decade ago.
Tommy, I understand you have your own special reasons for wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt and I doubt you'll believe it until Lance admits it himself. I don't have those issues and after seeing those two women I hope Lance rots in hell. He deserves everything coming his way. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts
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On 2012-10-25 23:05, Slide wrote: Wow! What the heck did the women say? It must have been really terrible to feel the way you do. Just curious. I have no reason to stick up for Lance or go aganist him, just curious here.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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It seems to me I am of the same view as former federal prosecutor Bruce Deming in this matter, which is expressed – far better and more clearly than I could - in these “two” articles below, that I have just read a moment ago:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorbutter......process/
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts
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On 2012-10-24 18:34, S2000magician wrote: Actually neither of these statements are explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution. Though S2000magician's phrasing is the most accurate as it is the foundation of English common law that has been incorporated into the laws that govern our criminal justice system. That said, the topic of Lance Armstrong in regards to this thread is not about a criminal trial so neither of the above statements have any bearing. But as the great Norman Peterson once asked "Would it raise the price of beer?" "No" "Then what do we care." |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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Actually, they aren't two different statements. S200magician was just adding a word that I had left for the sake of convenience, and in doing so reasserted my point: the word "presumed" makes it clear that the legal status of a defendant is theoretical: sometimes only God and the defendant know whether he or she is in fact guilty of the crime.
And who cares about the price of beer? Were it 10X more expensive, I'm sure I'd still drink it. :) |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2012-10-26 08:47, M Sini wrote: I didn't suggest that it was stated in the U.S. Constitution (or anywhere else, for that matter); I was simply suggesting - as you state - that that's the standard invoked in the U.S. (and in some other jurisdictions as well, though not in all jurisdictions (and, interestingly, not uniformly even in the U.S.: cf. tax court)). |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Presumed innocent until proven guilty is related to punishment:
Its function is related to punishment, for it is one thing to think a man is guilty and quite another to think so and punish him just because you think so. “Norman Stanley Fletcher, you are an habitual criminal who accepts arrest as an occupational hazard, and presumably accepts imprisonment in the same casual manner. We therefore feel constrained to commit you to the maximum term allowed for these offences - you will go to theoretical prison for five years."
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spatlind Special user still moving 863 Posts
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On 2012-10-23 09:19, stoneunhinged wrote: Apparently, they've suspended the lawsuit
Actions lie louder than words - Carolyn Wells
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts
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On 2012-10-26 12:43, tommy wrote: And you Godber.
What do we want?
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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We have become such a society of liars, from every facet of life including clergy, that the only thing we can have any hope of believing is clear, irrefutable, documented fact. Then again, often confessions are judged inadmissible...
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