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Dave Dworak New user Connecticut 17 Posts |
I bevel the cards slightly to my left and my middle and ring finger are along the right side edge with just the pads peeking over the top. With the ring finger on top it is preventing the cards from "popping" up as I pull my pinky down along the right side. I am merely riffling (just barely) along the bottom with hardly any room to insert my pinky for the break. If I place my ring finger along the side, then the cards a free to "pop" up while I riffle down and count. However, the casual 'card burner' would surely see the cards being bent and then suddenly the top card pops up. I can't seem to find an area in between to balance this move out. Any advice would greatly be appreciated.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
This isn't really an invisible move. You should have some sort of cover for it. With more time and practice the popping up of the top card will become less pronounced however.
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Justin W. Loyal user Kansas 237 Posts |
Tyler Wilson addresses this in his excellent video on breaks. I'd provide a link if I weren't on my phone. I'm sure another kind soul will.
Additionally, check out Doug Conn's Pinky Swear download over at Rich Aviles's Trcky website. He's got some great advice on the move in general. Justin |
mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
I disagree. I think the pinky count can and should be an invisible move. There is inevitably going to be extra tension in your wrist and fingers which can give away that something is happening, and that needs to be addressed, but done well, there shouldn't be anything to see on the deck doing a pinky count.
As far as finger position, I keep my middle and ring fingers as far back on the side of the deck as possible (wrapped just barely onto the top of the deck). This keeps any "pop" tiny (only in that little corner of the deck of about a half and inch to an inch between your pinky and where your middle and ring fingers are). It's certainly enough to get a break, but not so much that anyone could really see anything other than the increased tension in your wrist and fingers. For more info on tension, see everything Aaron Fisher has ever written.
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Dave Dworak New user Connecticut 17 Posts |
Michael - Yeah, it looks like I need to play with where to put my ring finger and fiddle with that for a while. I agree in that I shouldn't have to keep this move hidden (I also don't think it should be done right in front of them either), but more in passing.
Justin - I'll try to find his video! Thanks, everyone! |
mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
Here's the link to Tyler's website:
http://evil.cherryvillain.com/users/sign_up If you're already a member, you can login and see the video in the "opensourcing the real work" section. If not, you can sign up, but you need an invitation password.
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sroccaserra New user Asnières, France 56 Posts |
Dave: PM sent, with an invite password to become a cherryvillain.
It's the one Ben Train gave us a while ago, I hope it still works. I started learning the pinky count with the cherryvillain video, I think they're fantastic.. Cheers! Sébastien. |
failed_drummer Veteran user 314 Posts |
Jason England also has an excellent video on the pinky count, available at Theory 11.
He goes into a few way to get extra cover for the pinky count, but most routines tend to give you plenty of cover anyway. As far as I'm concerned, counting the cards quickly is more inportant than making it invisible since once you've got your break there's nothing (much) to see. |
MagicJuggler Inner circle Anchorage, AK 1161 Posts |
If you watch Darwin Ortiz do the count he usually tilts his hand slightly at the wrist as he's talking so that corner's out of view anyway. The move's still invisible even if you're burning his hands, but he's not taking any chances. Notice even with an invisible move he misdirects away from the moment of execution anyway.
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sroccaserra New user Asnières, France 56 Posts |
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On 2013-03-01 04:28, MagicJuggler wrote: I think Dai Vernon shows a similar tilting action in Revelations. Cheers! Sébastien. |
Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
"Every move is a move." Even people who have not been in card magic for very long soon become adept at detecting patterns and reading tells. When a card is turned face up onto a deck, then turned face down before it's dealt... that's probably a double-lift. An added touch by Tamariz may fool you the first time you see it, but soon you'll become wise to that, too. When the second hand comes over the deck for a moment -- ah, yep, there's the palm.
There are different ways of executing the pinky count just as there are different ways of holding a break for the pass. On my pinky count, the pinky's running along the corner of the pack. The deck's heavily beveled; the ring finger touches the pinky's top knuckle (they're kissing, not humping). If you know where to look, the deck flexes when I do it. This probably isn't a big deal. Of course, it's also not a big deal to gesture with your hand while executing it, or casually shade the action by waving over the deck with the other hand for one reason or another.
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brokin6 Loyal user Chicago 276 Posts |
Your ring finger should be slightly above the back of the cards as a sort of stop for the first card. This way, you will be able to feel every card coming off the pinky as you will feel a slight tap whenever a card is counted. As for cover, pointing at the upper left corner of the deck with the right hand does nicely and is extremely satisfying because the count is done in plain sight.
Why does coin magic make my head hurt!?!
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brokin6 Loyal user Chicago 276 Posts |
Your ring finger should be slightly above the back of the cards as a sort of stop fit the first card. This way, you will be able to feel every card coming off the pinky as you will feel a slight tap whenever a card is counted. As for cover, pointing at the upper left corner of the deck with the right hand does nicely and is extremely satisfying because the count is done in plain sight.
Why does coin magic make my head hurt!?!
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Dave Dworak New user Connecticut 17 Posts |
Thanks, everyone, for all your suggestions.
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