On 2013-03-25 17:09, Mb217 wrote:

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On 2013-03-25 15:06, silvercup wrote:
Hey Mb217 the reason I asked if you hatted them goes to the purpose in the show Kozmo wrote about.
We're not about this trick is good, people seem to like it, whatever big name has made a great living with it, etc etc., so I'll do it.
There is a method to our madness and a reason for our actions. 3 Fly for me, and apparently others, does not advance the game plan and other coin stuff is far better.

Well then silvercup, I guess don't quite seem to get what you and Koz are saying here? And didn't know you guys were tag-teaming the issue. Actually, I thought that poster you initially agreed with earlier on here, "stperformer" made a good point and then left room for others opinions on it.

Anyway, I gave you my impression of the effect, why I like it and do it. Also, I thought if I mention why others do it, or at least make you realize why better than neophytes or psychofants do it, then perhaps you might help answer your own questions as to why people like it despite it's supposed inability to be everything to everybody. I'm sure Chris Kenner and his good buddy super coin man and closeup magician, Homer Liwag could hold their own with you or Koz as to this topic, as they probably have done many times with those that took some sort of exception with the effect over the many years now. They would not so easily let you "source-out" all the success it has seen so you can then easily have your way about it here as you would like. I remember seeing a discussion with the NY Coin Guys I think about this topic and they seemed to feel as you guys feel about the effect. I respected their thoughts on it but still liked the effect and seemingly so did many hundreds of thousands of others over the years, including specs and magicians. Like I said, to each his own.

I have done several coins across effects including my own versions, along with 3 Fly, especially my own handling of it, "My Fly" and it has a beginning, a middle and an end, good magic and handling all the way through it with some unique parts to it at that. I can remember both Eric Mead and Eric Jones reaching out to compliment me on it, as many others have. My goal was to entertain with it and I believe I've done that many times, as many others have done with there takes on it. Just got through watching card man, Cameron Francis do his version of it, seemed to play well enough to his audience. I'm just sayin'.

If there is method to your madness and reason for your action, then share it, don't quiz me. I can do these effects as well as anybody and have been doing them for years so I do know something about them. Look, you guys are bonafide buskers, and Koz is a respected legend at it...I am not. I am just a guy that loves coin magic and has shared with the craft as to my ideas at times. I have also been out on the streets of NYC for years doing this stuff and I really think that counts for something, whether you count it or not. There are some here that seem to agree with you but there are others that do not. Exactly what game plan are you trying to advance? And you're right, there is other coin stuff that is better, I have a few coin effects myself I think that are better than 3 Fly or Coins Across, but is that the point here?

And Koz, I have the utmost respect for you man, you're a legend...Like the great surfer in Chasing Mavericks, Jay Moriarity or something. I thought you were mentioning the 30,000 shows to me as a reference point. Sorry if I misunderstood. I am no great and powerful Oz as you are, as you have put the heart and soul into being throughout a breath of experiences. I'm just a hobbyist with a few things I've found along the way and shared with others. Other than that, I have no particular ID card to show here. Hope that's OK too.

On 2013-03-28 11:44, silvercup wrote:

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On 2013-03-25 17:09, Mb217 wrote:

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On 2013-03-25 15:06, silvercup wrote:
Hey Mb217 the reason I asked if you hatted them goes to the purpose in the show Kozmo wrote about.
We're not about this trick is good, people seem to like it, whatever big name has made a great living with it, etc etc., so I'll do it.
There is a method to our madness and a reason for our actions. 3 Fly for me, and apparently others, does not advance the game plan and other coin stuff is far better.

Well then silvercup, I guess don't quite seem to get what you and Koz are saying here? And didn't know you guys were tag-teaming the issue. Actually, I thought that poster you initially agreed with earlier on here, "stperformer" made a good point and then left room for others opinions on it.

Anyway, I gave you my impression of the effect, why I like it and do it. Also, I thought if I mention why others do it, or at least make you realize why better than neophytes or psychofants do it, then perhaps you might help answer your own questions as to why people like it despite it's supposed inability to be everything to everybody. I'm sure Chris Kenner and his good buddy super coin man and closeup magician, Homer Liwag could hold their own with you or Koz as to this topic, as they probably have done many times with those that took some sort of exception with the effect over the many years now. They would not so easily let you "source-out" all the success it has seen so you can then easily have your way about it here as you would like. I remember seeing a discussion with the NY Coin Guys I think about this topic and they seemed to feel as you guys feel about the effect. I respected their thoughts on it but still liked the effect and seemingly so did many hundreds of thousands of others over the years, including specs and magicians. Like I said, to each his own.

I have done several coins across effects including my own versions, along with 3 Fly, especially my own handling of it, "My Fly" and it has a beginning, a middle and an end, good magic and handling all the way through it with some unique parts to it at that. I can remember both Eric Mead and Eric Jones reaching out to compliment me on it, as many others have. My goal was to entertain with it and I believe I've done that many times, as many others have done with there takes on it. Just got through watching card man, Cameron Francis do his version of it, seemed to play well enough to his audience. I'm just sayin'.

If there is method to your madness and reason for your action, then share it, don't quiz me. I can do these effects as well as anybody and have been doing them for years so I do know something about them. Look, you guys are bonafide buskers, and Koz is a respected legend at it...I am not. I am just a guy that loves coin magic and has shared with the craft as to my ideas at times. I have also been out on the streets of NYC for years doing this stuff and I really think that counts for something, whether you count it or not. There are some here that seem to agree with you but there are others that do not. Exactly what game plan are you trying to advance? And you're right, there is other coin stuff that is better, I have a few coin effects myself I think that are better than 3 Fly or Coins Across, but is that the point here?

And Koz, I have the utmost respect for you man, you're a legend...Like the great surfer in Chasing Mavericks, Jay Moriarity or something. I thought you were mentioning the 30,000 shows to me as a reference point. Sorry if I misunderstood. I am no great and powerful Oz as you are, as you have put the heart and soul into being throughout a breath of experiences. I'm just a hobbyist with a few things I've found along the way and shared with others. Other than that, I have no particular ID card to show here. Hope that's OK too.

No one is tag teaming you. No one is ganging up on you. I'd go so far as to say no one cares that much about you. This isn't about you. It's not about me or anyone else. It's about those fortunate enough to get the opportunity to pay for a show. How to arrange the show to entice the largest number of people to reach into their money holder and fork it over.
I speak for my self when I say I don't care what "names" in magic like or perform. I don't even care about what I like or care to perform. All I care about is what the people in front of me, paying me, like.
I asked if you hatted them to help figure out what your purpose was. If we are on the same page we could discuss. We are not. That's cool.
My purpose is getting paid. Everything starts and finishes with that point.
Coins across is a better fit for my purposes.