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jcrabtree2007 Special user 627 Posts |
My two cents:
Father Photius- what a great story Thanks for sharing. As far as women looking better on stage. The fact is a pretty woman will turn more heads than an attractive man. Often the assistants are used as a misdirection for the magician. They look better all dressed up and as such can be used by the magician as misdirection. As more and more women do magic (and there are tons of great female magicians out there and here in the Café) you will see more male assistants. I feel that satellite23 words were twisted out of context. She wasnt glorifying woman getting dismembered. She was simply saying women look better than men. Maybe not fair but true |
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
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I was reading a topic about busking and people were complaining about other magicians just watching their acts for ideas and presentations instead of watching it for the joy of watching it! Watching other's perform and getting good idea's on presentation and technique is not inherently wrong. I enjoy watching Magician's perform the effects that I perform myself. I sometimes get great idea's that will help improve my own performance and technique. Performer's are teacher's as well entertainer's to some members of an audience. I see nothing wrong or immoral here. To copy a performer's act is wrong (and could be illegal as well) but to glean idea's and tips from a performance is ok in my book. That IS part of the entertainment for me. Harassment and Exposure are of course a different matter all together and as stated in a previous post, should not have to be taught but rather should be part of one's own good manner's. It's part of the "Golden Rule" Iven
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Rook Special user I went to the Magic Cafe and all I got were these lousy 834 Posts |
I must confess that I become inspired by watching a talented artist perform. When I find myself saying "I wish I could do that!" I don't stop myself by saying "That would be disrespectful." I do, however, ensure that I am not imitating or copying an act, but draw inspiration from it.
That said, the concept of watching other magicians solely for the purpose of lifting material is unfortunate. It says a few things to me. The most obvious is that they don't mind stealing another person's act via duplication. If they go the expose' route or other form of one-upmanship, it speaks to me of insecurity and need to push yourself up at the expense of others. It may say something unflattering about me, but what I find the most distressing about a magician watching other magicians solely for the purpose of lifting material is that they're not allowing themselves to simply enjoy the magic of another artist. It says to me that they've lost the love of the art that inspired them in the first place. -Tom
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it.
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satellite23 Elite user 424 Posts |
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On 2013-09-04 17:13, Dr_V wrote: Great point, Tom. |
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rmann New user Milton VT and a forum newbie with only 96 Posts |
I find myself in total agreement with Tom (Dr_V). As magicians we watch magic differently, perhaps, than the typical spectator. But wasn't that the point of the movie someone else mentioned, "Burt Wonderstone"? Magic had become rote routines, effects and money...he had lost the 'wonder' part. It was the story of how he recovered that 'wonder' that made the movie for me. When I watch another magician I really want only one thing...to be able to experience the wonder I felt as a kid. If the magician succeeds in doing that, then I am satisfied even if it is a routine I have done myself many times.
Ray
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Pastor Ray Mann Champlain Valley Church of the Nazarene St. Albans, VT (USA) "...to Him who alone does great wonders, His love endures forever." Ps 136:4 |
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
Couple thoughts.
In one of George Anderson's booklets he mentions the message to put on a billet if you are in another mentalist's audience. "I am with it and for it." He also has an anecdote about the first paid show he did and how other magicians cheered for him even though he really wasn't very good yet. Michael Close has a story about his big surprise trick and the time an amateur magician messed the whole thing up just to see how he would handle it. Since reading these things, I have tried to be the sort of audience member who makes the whole show better not worse. -Patrick |
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pradell Special user Alaska 560 Posts |
As an audience member a magician has a lot of potential to help a fellow artist on stage. Audiences sometimes need to know when to clap. You can help. And the volume and length of your own clapping can carry the audience's overall reaction to a show like a wave. My granddaughter who is very familiar with magic was called on stage at a recent state fair performance to assist a magician and she went along with his act and didn't try to expose anything. I watched with delight and clapped loudly at appropriate times for both perfrormer and on stage assistant. The audience loved it and she left the stage glowing. We loved Lance Burton's Vegas show because he treated everyone with respect. There were no "suckers" in the audience at his shows. He is still devoting considerable amounts of time helping teens succeed in magic. He gets it. There is room for everyone interested in magic. If we promote our art rather than cut down our competition the lay public may ultimately give us more respect.
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satellite23 Elite user 424 Posts |
Good point, pradell! I never thought about that before!
Here's something slightly random that I remember a veteran magician telling me a few years ago: Compare Criss Angel to David Copperfield. They seem like total opposites of each other, right? Angel, the self-centered, egotistical prick who only cares about money vs. Copperfield, the chivalrous mystifier that dreams of making the world more magical. But, according to my good friend, their stage personas are nothing like how they really are. Apparently, Copperfield is really tight and restrictive off stage. He won't even allow other magicians to take notes during his show. But Angel, on the other hand, loves watching other people perform, gives them tips to make them better, and is willing to share his secrets if he thinks it will be beneficial to another magician. Just a cool thought. |
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yankay37 Regular user Canada 176 Posts |
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What? I thought this came as common sense. you're no magician if you don't respect magicians.. that doesn't make sense. |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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On 2013-09-07 18:12, satellite23 wrote: I can tell you first hand...if you work the Copperfield show and if they even SUSPECT you are a magician, you are immediately ejected from the show! A simple quarter vanish got me tossed! Doug |
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Steven Webb New user 59 Posts |
As a complete newbie in the field, I cannot imagine being rude to another performer. I may have the technical knowledge of how something is done doesn't stop me from being in awe as someone performs moves I could not even being to perform. I guess I'm still in the place where I am more a spectator than insider. I hope that doesn't go away with time.
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Magic Pierre Loyal user 212 Posts |
Actually, I think any insider is likely to keep the secrets. I think it's outsiders who are going to divulge them. Just knowing how a lot of tricks are done doesn't make someone an insider.
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Steven Webb New user 59 Posts |
As a complete newbie in the field, I cannot imagine being rude to another performer. I may have the technical knowledge of how something is done doesn't stop me from being in awe as someone performs moves I could not even being to perform. I guess I'm still in the place where I am more a spectator than insider. I hope that doesn't go away with time.
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jcrabtree2007 Special user 627 Posts |
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On 2013-09-07 18:12, satellite23 wrote: Interesting- isn't that. I've heard the same thing. I hear Chris Angel is a pretty nice guy. People's perception is not always reality. |
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Revel Rob New user Toronto 50 Posts |
I remember years ago when I was a resident restaurant magician, I approached 2 gentlemen who were waiting to be seated with my opening words (which typically consisted of a comedic bit where I pretended I was kind of crazy and then pulled out some sort of prop to start a routine so that they realized that magic was about to happen) and while this was happening, a pair of young women snuck in to watch from over the shoulders of the guys. When they saw that it was a magic trick that was to be performed, the girls got a bit excited and one of the guys noticed and casually suggested that the more excited one be the volunteer. I agreed, and proceeded to perform that effect along with maybe 1 or 2 more for the group of 4 until the 2 girls had to leave as a table had freed for them. Once they were out of sight and earshot, the 1 gentleman who suggested that I use the girls as volunteers pulled out his business card which had a picture of him holding a fan of cards and said something to the effect of "great job man, I loved your ambitious card patter. those girls were eating it up."
It kind of shocked me at first because, until that point, he in no way indicated that he was a magician. He acted as a perfect spectator, didn't try to ruin any of my routines and actually contributed to the routines by how he reacted to the magic (without overreacting). It was just a simple interaction that I will always remember and praise him for. |
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