The Magic Caf
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The Gambling Spot » » Baldy Johnson - Sinking with the Titanic (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
Mickey MacDougall (The Card Detective), copyrighted Gamblers Don’t Gamble in 1939 and it was published by Garden City Publishing Co., Inc. in New York in 1940.

As a younster, after reading Scarne On Cards, Scarne on Dice and Card Mastery by MacDougall, I knew the magician route was not for me and I was enamored by the “mystique,” cleverness and “excitement” of the gambler’s life, real or imagined. (Don’t forget I’m a teenager at this time and very impressionable.) In any event, the above three book were the only “modern” books devoted to gambling, hustling and card work available during that time period. As soon as I read Card Mastery, I knew I had to obtain everything else written by MacDougall, so I purchased a nice used copy of Gamblers Don’t Gamble as the book was out-of-print at that time.

I am currently reading Gamblers Don’t Gamble for the last time before I sell it. Although the material in MacDougall’s books pertained to his experiences in about the late 1920s through the 1940s, his books, as well as Scarne’s books, gave me a very broad perspective on all types of gambling and hustling and not the extremely limited knowledge of Hold’em poker and the current expose DVDs of today, which are basically just a minute portion of what gambling and hustling is all about.

Casino scams, hustling aboard transatlantic liners, on trains, in country clubs, among the sophisticated elite of the bridge world and also in the down and dirty pool halls and joints of that era - all fascinating stuff.

Since most on this BB will never get to read any of MacDougall’s books, and assuming I am not the only romantic on the BB, I am writing verbatim MacDougall’s rendition of the old gambler’s story of Baldy Johnson in Gamblers Don't Gamble:

Quote:
The great legend of the gambling world, a story that all gamblers know and half of them probably believe, happens to be about shipboard hustling. Authors aren’t the only people who go for the romantic and chivalrous gambler stuff. Gamblers do too. They like to think of themselves as characters out of Bret Harte, silent, suave, hard-cased pirates but perfect gentlemen and with hearts as soft as butter underneath.

The hero of this legend is a famous mechanic named Baldy Johnson, who really did go down on the Titanic I think. The story goes that he sailed for business reasons on her maiden voyage. Among the doomed thousands on board were a honeymoon couple, a sweet and lovely American girl and a handsome young Englishman, very wealthy and unsophisticated. Baldy’s mob laid for the husband, hooked him and all the way they played cards in the young couple’s cabin. Three nights out, the young bride spilled her handbag and out rolled a wedding ring. Baldy picked it up for her, looked at her left hand, saw another wedding ring on her fourth finger and said:

“I’d have though you were too young to have been married before.”

“That’s my mother’s wedding ring, “she said. “I always carry it.”

Well, from then on that evening and the next one too, the husband began to win. The mob began to figure that either Baldy was losing his grip or double-crossing them and, in either case, they were pretty sore. But just about the time they were working up their tempers to do something about it, the ship crashed the iceberg and the fear of death broke up the game. They all rushed for the door but the strain of the collision had jammed it shut. Then they all started looking for life preservers and naturally there were only two in the cabin, the usual quota for a double-berthed room. The mob started fighting over the life-preservers-but not Baldy. He whipped out a gun and said:

“Now boys-don’t grab. We’re going to settle this like gentlemen with the cards.”

He handed the deck to the girl and told her to shuffle. Then he told the young husband to cut it and give it to him. Then he began dealing:

“First two aces get the life-preservers,” he said.

The other two mobsters naturally figured he would deal himself one ace and give one of them the other. Which one got it was such a pressing question that they said nothing, just stared at the deal and held their breaths. Dealing with one hand, Baldy dished them out. Once round, twice round-and then an ace for the girl. The mobsters sort of choked and gripped the table-edge. Three times round-and then an ace for the young husband.

With Baldy holding the gun on them, the two mobsters, white and shaking, put the life-preservers on the young couple and pushed them out of the cabin-porthole. They were saved. The last they had seen of Baldy Johnson, he was sitting with the gun beside him on the card-table, playing death’s head solitaire.

Back in America, the young bride told her mother about Baldy and how he had saved her life. She also mentioned the wedding-ring incident. Mother wondered a little and then went upstairs and got an old photograph.

“Yes,” says the girl. “That’s the way Baldy Johnson would have looked twenty years ago.”

“Darling,” says her mother. “That was your father. You never knew him. I left him just after you were born because he wouldn’t give up gambling.”

Is the story true? I don’t know. Can one get out of a porthole with a life-preserver on or not? Who cares? To me it is all irrelevant.

It is a darn good story and one I would really like to believe regardless.

Maybe you guys enjoyed it also.
AMcD
View Profile
Inner circle
stacking for food!
3078 Posts

Profile of AMcD
Cag said : "Since most on this BB will never get to read any of MacDougall’s books,"

I disagree. Some will do. Mainly because guys like you and me tell'em to do it Smile. More seriously those books are old Cag, and very little information provided inside would apply with nowadays games. I'm a big fan of Mickey MacDougall, I have his books, sometimes even autographed (not to me lol). But his stories are sometimes hardly credible.

Kids play Hold'em nowadays (except tommy who plays Omaha, but he's not a kid).

For such books, you need to love Gambling history, be a collector or, yes, a romantic.

Hundreds of books like that, like "Wandering of a vagabond" or " The Devil And The Grafter". I read dozen of them!
Magic-Scott
View Profile
Veteran user
310 Posts

Profile of Magic-Scott
Unfortunately, I never read that book, but I enjoyed the story. Thanks for sharing Cag....
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
Quote:
On 2013-08-22 16:17, AMcD wrote:
More seriously those books are old Cag, and very little information provided inside would apply with nowadays games. I'm a big fan of Mickey MacDougall, I have his books, sometimes even autographed (not to me lol). But his stories are sometimes hardly credible.

I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that, Arnold.

There is a big world out there and concepts don’t die. Games change, some go out of style and others come into vogue, but someone with a vast grasp of different concepts has a big advantage over those who are rooted in fixed moves or methods.

Now if you are relating your statement to only playing Hold’em in your local card room, possibly you may be correct to a large extent in that world, but there are very good games that are not held in local card rooms and it is a big world out there. Also, there are some very good private games for money outside of Hold’em and poker itself and it seems like there is a new casino card game, or new variation of an existing game, coming out almost every day.

So yes, if one only plays poker in local card rooms you are correct, but even then not 100% correct in my opinion. If you expand your view outside of that somewhat narrow area, then I would have to disagree.

Most people on this BB are hung up on manipulative card moves and methods gleaned from current DVDs and books. But if one has a broader view of many concepts and methods, it is amazing what can develop.

I just finishing up a final read of Danger in the Cards and yes, MacDougall may stretch things a little here and there (it is called "poetic license"), but on balance there are some good ideas there. After all, he is selling himself as a Card Detective. Forte sold himself in the past with some pseudo moves and less than practical methods. That’s show biz.
slim23
View Profile
Veteran user
309 Posts

Profile of slim23
Cag, you're the main reason I started to read the MacDougall's books. The only one I have yet to read is Gamble don't gamble so thanks for the story!
I always appreciate you guys ( mostly Cag and AMcD) suggestions.

Personally, my favorite story coming from Mister MacDougall is Flash Allen's. He explains when he met this great dice man in a court house in NYC.
Ref: Danger in the cards, chapter 6

Slim

p.s. Keep posting!
AMcD
View Profile
Inner circle
stacking for food!
3078 Posts

Profile of AMcD
Hey, just different points of views.

Again, I really enjoy MacDougall, but main of his stories are... well, stories. To me. I also understand he was your idol when you where a kid Smile. But maybe you got me wrong. I meant that kids, today, don't even know what Bridge is. How could stories told by MacDougall interest them? It's mainly stories about Bridge clubs, private cardrooms, etc. It's a different world now, doesn't it?

Not sure it has to do with my local environment though. Even if we all speak from our perspective. This afternoon I was talking with a mate of mine and we talked about just that: local environments.

By the way, there's one demo I've never figured out about Mickey MacDougall. His bridge deal, out of a brand new deck shuffled by expert Bridge players... Hard to believe.
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
Quote:
On 2013-08-22 19:09, AMcD wrote:
By the way, there's one demo I've never figured out about Mickey MacDougall. His bridge deal, out of a brand new deck shuffled by expert Bridge players... Hard to believe.

Refresh my memory Arnold. What Bridge deal are you talking about?
AMcD
View Profile
Inner circle
stacking for food!
3078 Posts

Profile of AMcD
The one described in the introduction of "Card Mastery". At least, my version. "Reader's Digest of May 1939".

Not out of a fresh deck though. Bad memory Smile.
MVFAN
View Profile
Regular user
126 Posts

Profile of MVFAN
If you guys have access to Genii on line there is a great tribute to Mickey. It's in the August 1996 issue. Mickey passed away in March 17, 1996 at age 93. Even Cag might find some things he didn't know about him. My favorite is the time he fooled Vernon. I would post the article but I would be in copyright trouble.

Pete
the fritz
View Profile
Special user
647 Posts

Profile of the fritz
What a neat story, true or not. What other books can you guys recommend that have these types of stories in them? Iknow MacDougall's books contain more than stories but I would love to read a book of just history or stories.
AMcD
View Profile
Inner circle
stacking for food!
3078 Posts

Profile of AMcD
the fritz
View Profile
Special user
647 Posts

Profile of the fritz
Awesome. Thank you! I will check some of these out.
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
Quote:
On 2013-08-22 19:09, AMcD wrote:
By the way, there's one demo I've never figured out about Mickey MacDougall. His bridge deal, out of a brand new deck shuffled by expert Bridge players... Hard to believe.

(Arnold, I know you already know how this was done, so I am responding to your quote for the benefit of the other members who may not.)

Here is the Reader’s Digest article that Arnold is referring to:

Quote:
On November 9, 1938, Michael MacDougall , at a demonstration at the Cavendish Club of New York proved that a clever card sharp can do just about as he pleases in a bridge game against top-notch experts.

Before 100 luminaries of the bridge world, MacDougall played a game with Howard Schenken and B. Jay Becker as adversaries. Two ordinary decks were thoroughly mixed and handed to the players. MacDougall shuffled the blue deck and Schenken the red. After the red deck had been well mixed it was cut by Becker, and dealt by MacDougall. Before dealing, MacDougall announced that he would bid six no-trumps. With 100 pairs of expert eyes fastened on his hands, he dealt and made six no-trumps.

Then Schenken dealt the blue pack. This had been in full view from the time it was given to MacDougall to riffle. Nevertheless, after the cards had been cut and dealt, MacDougall received all 13 spades.

MacDougall accomplished it all by expert manipulation of the cards during the shuffle and the deal.

MacDougall dealing himself a grand slam is exposed in Gamblers Don’t Gamble. It is still great today in Bridge games for money. Getting all 13 Spades uses concepts in the same book but presented in a different context.

That was the point I was trying to make before. It is the advantage of having a BROAD perspective rather than just the current crop of exposé “moves.” These principles (concepts) are still as valid today as they were back in the 1930s. Just some minor variations to adapt to today’s games and voila – you are off and running.

In my opinion, in most cases concepts “trump” moves or techniques. You can only do so much with moves and techniques but with concepts and principles the variations are endless. Concepts and principles teach you to think out of the box.

By the way, Dai Vernon told me Scarne claimed MacDougall used a punch deal to accomplish the above grand slam deal. Vernon then said to me MacDougall told him Scarne got it all wrong on that. And yes, Scarne did get that one wrong. (Scarne and MacDougall evidently went head to head a lot since they both vied for the position of “foremost” card table authority.)

I wonder if any demonstrators on this BB can duplicate MacDougall’s feat as described above or can do demonstrations along these lines, i.e., doing a demo within the strict context of game conditions without variations to make the demo work.
AMcD
View Profile
Inner circle
stacking for food!
3078 Posts

Profile of AMcD
Well MacDougall and Scarne were two guys in the same town...

Hey Cag, here's my autographed "Gamblers don't Gamble" page I was talking about:

Image


I've been lucky.
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
Quote:
On 2013-08-23 15:12, AMcD wrote:
Hey Cag, here's my autographed "Gamblers don't Gamble" page I was talking about:

Image


I've been lucky.

I drool with envy. Smile
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
MacDougall's method of getting another player to deal him all 13 spades in a Bridge game, as mentioned in the demo described in the Reader's Digest article above, is explained in MacDougall's book, Card Mastery.

The Grand Slam is explained in Gamblers Don't Gamble.
AMcD
View Profile
Inner circle
stacking for food!
3078 Posts

Profile of AMcD
Quite a long time I didn't read'em. Thanks for the details.
Tony45
View Profile
Veteran user
384 Posts

Profile of Tony45
This Baldy Johnson story, I know for a fact I read it or something similar years ago. I don't know where or by who, I am thinking that someone else used this story and twisted it for their own story, but its definetly familiar.
Cagliostro
View Profile
Inner circle
2478 Posts

Profile of Cagliostro
@Tony45: You probably did read it somewhere else.

MacDougall states that is a well known story among hustlers, at least during the time period in question, so I imagine there are a number of twists and variations of the story, depending on who is telling it.

I don't know how factual it is, but I liked it regardless.
the fritz
View Profile
Special user
647 Posts

Profile of the fritz
FYI... I'm a little way into a book I bought from amazon called "Blacklegs, Card Sharps and Confidence Men." It's all stories of nineteenth century riverboat gamblers on the Mississippi. Written/compiled from a literary perspective so it's more on the academic side but it is a wonderful book. Just thought I'd pass it along for anoyne interested in these stories like I am.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The Gambling Spot » » Baldy Johnson - Sinking with the Titanic (0 Likes)
 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.07 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL