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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Mickey MacDougall (The Card Detective), copyrighted Gamblers Don’t Gamble in 1939 and it was published by Garden City Publishing Co., Inc. in New York in 1940.
As a younster, after reading Scarne On Cards, Scarne on Dice and Card Mastery by MacDougall, I knew the magician route was not for me and I was enamored by the “mystique,” cleverness and “excitement” of the gambler’s life, real or imagined. (Don’t forget I’m a teenager at this time and very impressionable.) In any event, the above three book were the only “modern” books devoted to gambling, hustling and card work available during that time period. As soon as I read Card Mastery, I knew I had to obtain everything else written by MacDougall, so I purchased a nice used copy of Gamblers Don’t Gamble as the book was out-of-print at that time. I am currently reading Gamblers Don’t Gamble for the last time before I sell it. Although the material in MacDougall’s books pertained to his experiences in about the late 1920s through the 1940s, his books, as well as Scarne’s books, gave me a very broad perspective on all types of gambling and hustling and not the extremely limited knowledge of Hold’em poker and the current expose DVDs of today, which are basically just a minute portion of what gambling and hustling is all about. Casino scams, hustling aboard transatlantic liners, on trains, in country clubs, among the sophisticated elite of the bridge world and also in the down and dirty pool halls and joints of that era - all fascinating stuff. Since most on this BB will never get to read any of MacDougall’s books, and assuming I am not the only romantic on the BB, I am writing verbatim MacDougall’s rendition of the old gambler’s story of Baldy Johnson in Gamblers Don't Gamble: Quote:
The great legend of the gambling world, a story that all gamblers know and half of them probably believe, happens to be about shipboard hustling. Authors aren’t the only people who go for the romantic and chivalrous gambler stuff. Gamblers do too. They like to think of themselves as characters out of Bret Harte, silent, suave, hard-cased pirates but perfect gentlemen and with hearts as soft as butter underneath. Is the story true? I don’t know. Can one get out of a porthole with a life-preserver on or not? Who cares? To me it is all irrelevant. It is a darn good story and one I would really like to believe regardless. Maybe you guys enjoyed it also. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Cag said : "Since most on this BB will never get to read any of MacDougall’s books,"
I disagree. Some will do. Mainly because guys like you and me tell'em to do it . More seriously those books are old Cag, and very little information provided inside would apply with nowadays games. I'm a big fan of Mickey MacDougall, I have his books, sometimes even autographed (not to me lol). But his stories are sometimes hardly credible. Kids play Hold'em nowadays (except tommy who plays Omaha, but he's not a kid). For such books, you need to love Gambling history, be a collector or, yes, a romantic. Hundreds of books like that, like "Wandering of a vagabond" or " The Devil And The Grafter". I read dozen of them! |
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Magic-Scott Veteran user 310 Posts |
Unfortunately, I never read that book, but I enjoyed the story. Thanks for sharing Cag....
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2013-08-22 16:17, AMcD wrote: I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that, Arnold. There is a big world out there and concepts don’t die. Games change, some go out of style and others come into vogue, but someone with a vast grasp of different concepts has a big advantage over those who are rooted in fixed moves or methods. Now if you are relating your statement to only playing Hold’em in your local card room, possibly you may be correct to a large extent in that world, but there are very good games that are not held in local card rooms and it is a big world out there. Also, there are some very good private games for money outside of Hold’em and poker itself and it seems like there is a new casino card game, or new variation of an existing game, coming out almost every day. So yes, if one only plays poker in local card rooms you are correct, but even then not 100% correct in my opinion. If you expand your view outside of that somewhat narrow area, then I would have to disagree. Most people on this BB are hung up on manipulative card moves and methods gleaned from current DVDs and books. But if one has a broader view of many concepts and methods, it is amazing what can develop. I just finishing up a final read of Danger in the Cards and yes, MacDougall may stretch things a little here and there (it is called "poetic license"), but on balance there are some good ideas there. After all, he is selling himself as a Card Detective. Forte sold himself in the past with some pseudo moves and less than practical methods. That’s show biz. |
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slim23 Veteran user 309 Posts |
Cag, you're the main reason I started to read the MacDougall's books. The only one I have yet to read is Gamble don't gamble so thanks for the story!
I always appreciate you guys ( mostly Cag and AMcD) suggestions. Personally, my favorite story coming from Mister MacDougall is Flash Allen's. He explains when he met this great dice man in a court house in NYC. Ref: Danger in the cards, chapter 6 Slim p.s. Keep posting! |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Hey, just different points of views.
Again, I really enjoy MacDougall, but main of his stories are... well, stories. To me. I also understand he was your idol when you where a kid . But maybe you got me wrong. I meant that kids, today, don't even know what Bridge is. How could stories told by MacDougall interest them? It's mainly stories about Bridge clubs, private cardrooms, etc. It's a different world now, doesn't it? Not sure it has to do with my local environment though. Even if we all speak from our perspective. This afternoon I was talking with a mate of mine and we talked about just that: local environments. By the way, there's one demo I've never figured out about Mickey MacDougall. His bridge deal, out of a brand new deck shuffled by expert Bridge players... Hard to believe. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2013-08-22 19:09, AMcD wrote: Refresh my memory Arnold. What Bridge deal are you talking about? |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
The one described in the introduction of "Card Mastery". At least, my version. "Reader's Digest of May 1939".
Not out of a fresh deck though. Bad memory . |
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MVFAN Regular user 126 Posts |
If you guys have access to Genii on line there is a great tribute to Mickey. It's in the August 1996 issue. Mickey passed away in March 17, 1996 at age 93. Even Cag might find some things he didn't know about him. My favorite is the time he fooled Vernon. I would post the article but I would be in copyright trouble.
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the fritz Special user 647 Posts |
What a neat story, true or not. What other books can you guys recommend that have these types of stories in them? Iknow MacDougall's books contain more than stories but I would love to read a book of just history or stories.
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the fritz Special user 647 Posts |
Awesome. Thank you! I will check some of these out.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2013-08-22 19:09, AMcD wrote: (Arnold, I know you already know how this was done, so I am responding to your quote for the benefit of the other members who may not.) Here is the Reader’s Digest article that Arnold is referring to: Quote:
On November 9, 1938, Michael MacDougall , at a demonstration at the Cavendish Club of New York proved that a clever card sharp can do just about as he pleases in a bridge game against top-notch experts. MacDougall dealing himself a grand slam is exposed in Gamblers Don’t Gamble. It is still great today in Bridge games for money. Getting all 13 Spades uses concepts in the same book but presented in a different context. That was the point I was trying to make before. It is the advantage of having a BROAD perspective rather than just the current crop of exposé “moves.” These principles (concepts) are still as valid today as they were back in the 1930s. Just some minor variations to adapt to today’s games and voila – you are off and running. In my opinion, in most cases concepts “trump” moves or techniques. You can only do so much with moves and techniques but with concepts and principles the variations are endless. Concepts and principles teach you to think out of the box. By the way, Dai Vernon told me Scarne claimed MacDougall used a punch deal to accomplish the above grand slam deal. Vernon then said to me MacDougall told him Scarne got it all wrong on that. And yes, Scarne did get that one wrong. (Scarne and MacDougall evidently went head to head a lot since they both vied for the position of “foremost” card table authority.) I wonder if any demonstrators on this BB can duplicate MacDougall’s feat as described above or can do demonstrations along these lines, i.e., doing a demo within the strict context of game conditions without variations to make the demo work. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Well MacDougall and Scarne were two guys in the same town...
Hey Cag, here's my autographed "Gamblers don't Gamble" page I was talking about: I've been lucky. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2013-08-23 15:12, AMcD wrote: I drool with envy. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
MacDougall's method of getting another player to deal him all 13 spades in a Bridge game, as mentioned in the demo described in the Reader's Digest article above, is explained in MacDougall's book, Card Mastery.
The Grand Slam is explained in Gamblers Don't Gamble. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Quite a long time I didn't read'em. Thanks for the details.
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
This Baldy Johnson story, I know for a fact I read it or something similar years ago. I don't know where or by who, I am thinking that someone else used this story and twisted it for their own story, but its definetly familiar.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
@Tony45: You probably did read it somewhere else.
MacDougall states that is a well known story among hustlers, at least during the time period in question, so I imagine there are a number of twists and variations of the story, depending on who is telling it. I don't know how factual it is, but I liked it regardless. |
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the fritz Special user 647 Posts |
FYI... I'm a little way into a book I bought from amazon called "Blacklegs, Card Sharps and Confidence Men." It's all stories of nineteenth century riverboat gamblers on the Mississippi. Written/compiled from a literary perspective so it's more on the academic side but it is a wonderful book. Just thought I'd pass it along for anoyne interested in these stories like I am.
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