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Mr. Ed Veteran user California 337 Posts |
I went to the Penn & Teller show at the Wilshire theater in Los Angeles Yesterday. I really enjoyed the show.
I was taken aback to see a man performing in the lobby at intermission. My question is does anybody feel this was out of line and unacceptable? What other places have you seen an unacceptable performance?
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
What was this guy performing? Did he have permission? Was he hired by the organizers of the event? Was he busking?
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phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
If he was performing for money, and was not invited, then yes it is out of order (in my opinion).
If on the otherhand, he was part of the staff then obviously thats fine, but then I wouldn't have a problem with a magician performing anywhere as long as he/she wasn't taking "buisness" away from another hired magician already there etc. I once saw a guy performing in a cafe without permission, but he wasn't told to leave because his act attracted customers! |
Thoughtreader Inner circle Calgary, Alberta, Canada 1565 Posts |
To any magicians:
If you are at a performance of another performer, keep your cards put away and keep your "I can do that" or any explainations to yourself until you have left the theatre! It is THAT performers time on stage, not yours. There is nothing more tacky than to attend a magic performance and to see someone playing with card tricks during the show, or to over hear a knowit all who wants everyone to know how smart they are. Manners people!. PSIncerely Yours, Paul Alberstat |
Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Boy, have you touched on something that always hits my nerve. What is it about magicians that makes them assume they can perform at other people's venues? Stop it!!! Have some sense and common decency!!! It's not your gig so put your cards and coins away and just watch the show!!! Here's an example on how to act: When actors go see a play they do not perform their latest monologues in the lobby. When dancers go see the ballet they don't try out their latest manuevers in the aisles.
Stop it!! The only place that this is even acceptable is at the Magic Castle where they like the idea that magic is happening all around you. Please, at all other shows, give the "working" performer his space and forget you are a magician for the night. I'll get off my angry soapbox now. Greg
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Mr. Ed Veteran user California 337 Posts |
I only watched for a minute or so, and he seemed to be performing for a small group of people. It looked like he was doing an ambitious card routine. I didn't get the feeling that he was a member of the staff. The way he was dressed and the fact that he was in a corner and not "working the room". Besides I would hope that Penn & Teller would have a better performer. Don't get me wrong, he may have been very good, I only casualy watched for a few seconds from across the room. Maybe I knew what to look for, but from about 25 feet it looked like a not so good double lift.
IF this "Magician" is reading this, I am sorry but it does need a litle more work!
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Greenshock Regular user Vancouver, Canada 149 Posts |
Hey Guys,
Last week I had the single worst spectator that I had ever had, and he was a magician!(I use this term loosly). When I approached the table (of about eight people), he stated that he had Expert Card Technique as well as other (unnamed) books and loved watching and performing magic. I thought it was great because I assumed he'd be a polite and courteous spectator, boy was I wrong! I couldn't get more than ten seconds into ANYTHING before he was shouting (competely wrong) theories on how I was doing something, even if I hadn't done anything yet! I still went on performing as I would have if he wasn't there because there were still seven other people there who were trying to be entertained. On top of that, he said all my cards were "trick cards" while constantly trying to grab them(even though most of the moves I did could be found in Expert Card Technique) so I gave him my cards to keep and moved on to non-card effects. He was just trying to sound impressive in front of all his friends, but they weren't impressed with his constant outbursts either. I honestly couldn't believe what I was hearing, I wouldn't dream of acting in such a poor manner. Some people just need attention at all times and will do whatever it takes to get it, even if it's at the expense of others. |
Tony Chapparo Special user Albuquerque, NM 704 Posts |
No... I would not address this person as a magician.
Anyone who claims to be a magician should show much more respect for a fellow performer. Just goes to show... it takes all kinds!
Tony Chapparo
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
Here's the simple rule:
If Penn and Teller asked the guy to perform, he was fine. If not, he was completely out of line. Bad manners and bad form. Magicians who do this deserve to be banned to watching the same "Full House" episode over and over while tied in a chair for the rest of their lives! If a performer gets a gig, it is HIS gig. If it's not YOUR gig, don't perform! Get your own gig! Performing at another magician's show uninvited is the equivalent of an amateur garage band playing uninvite in the lobby at a rock concert! It's just stupidity and selfishness revealing itself....
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GothicBen Veteran user England 353 Posts |
Years ago, some kid tried to upstage me by performing tricks when I was doing a show. I'm not a big guy, but I threatened him with a smack and he soon shut up! (Amazing the power of facial piercings, and a bald head!)
I went to see Paul Daniels at my local theatre, and some twit was doing card tricks in the lobby. The fact I knew the culprit was bad enough. Later, I took him to one side and told him that if he ever does that again, I'll never speak to him. As I was teaching him magic at the time, it was a strong threat. Do you know what's worse? When one magician asks the pro, whilst he's signing autographs etc. if he'll watch his latest trick, tip his chop cup routine, whatever! Dudes, treat all other pros with respect! After all, you'd want them to do the same for you! |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
re;
"When actors go see a play they do not perform their latest monologues in the lobby. When dancers go see the ballet they don't try out their latest manuevers in the aisles. Stop it!! " Spot on Greg. Add to that, people fiddling with cards during magic lectures, pay attention!!!you might learn something, lol. Paul. |
John Smetana ???? - 2009 499 Posts |
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Ray Haddad Regular user Mansfield Center, Connecticut 151 Posts |
I had no idea how prevalent the problem was until reading this thread.
Every 3 months or so, another pro will pass through Perth and I always get informed as editor of our local magic club newsletter. A few of us club members always go to the show to support another performer in this wonderful career of ours. After the show, one of us will send a business card backstage to the cast asking them to join us for coffee/drinks/whatever after they finish up. In all of my times of doing that, it never fails to elicit a lobby visit and acceptance of the invitation. The last time Chuck Jones was here, he had already made a dinner engagement but the rest of the show did join us for coffee. If it's a lecturer, the invitation to coffee is always automatic and always accepted. This is a wonderful community of magicians that we serve worldwide. No matter where I go, I find friends to welcome me and I welcome those who visit here in Perth. Some fabulous friends have been to stay here and shared table with my family. The shame of it comes when some of us behave as buffoons in the lobby. Best Always, Ray |
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