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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
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On Sep 4, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I thought her first agent was Tony Rivers, who told her she had to change her name. She liked Tony's last name, thus Joan Rivers was born. No?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
When Jack told me that he was Rivers first agent, I frankly didn't believe him. So he and I went to a Joan Rivers concert at the Garden State Arts Center in New Jersey.(This was around 1987.) I find out that we have seats just offstage. Joan Rivers comes over to us and hugs Jack saying how happy she was the he could make it. He introduced us. She told me herself that Jack got her some of her earliest bookings. I never doubted Jack again.
Jack always lamented, though, that everytime someone he represented started to hit it big, they'd leave him and get a new agent. |
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PaulPacific Special user Yes, I used my toes to type all of my 907 Posts |
Apparently Joan Rivers worked with Kuda Bux for some time. In some book she made some reference to it. Does anyone here know more about it?
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
No tears from me for Joan Rivers, especially after what she said about the residents of Gaza and Hiroshima ("When you declare war,you declare war. They started it. We now don't count who's dead. You're dead, you deserve to be dead."). She didn't cry for them and I don't cry for her! Lynn
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Like you lynnef,
I won't miss her "humor" of the last 30 years or so in the least. But she did open a lot of doors for Women comediennes with her early work. I feel for her daughter in her time of loss. -Mary Mowder |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Personally, I'd cut a fair amount of slack to a Jewish American who lived through World War II and is being interviewed by a member of an American media that has quite a few Hamas sympathizers.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
If the implication of the above is that the "American media" consists of more than 1% of Hamas sympathizers, you'remistaken. No idea where that comment comes from.
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gypsyfish Veteran user 383 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2014, landmark wrote: Kimmel's response to Silverman asking where he got his air was 'from your back.' |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Bob will be interested to know that in an old interview on British radio that I heard yesterday, Rivers described her two major influences: her father and Lenny Bruce.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Makes sense. When she first started, Joan Rivers was part of what was called the "New Wave" of comedy- those post-WWII comedians of the fifties and early sixties who hadn't originally come up through vaudeville. Others in that group included Lenny Bruce, Mort Sahl and Bob Newhart.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
That's a fascinating distinction you make between the vaudeville comics and those who came later. I never thought about that before. But that explains a lot about the older comics' need to appeal to a family audience and keep their (public) material "clean," and their distaste for the comics like Bruce who worked for a more select sophisticated audience in the Cafés and clubs.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Partly, yes. But don't forget that the burlesque circuits, in which many of the vaudevillians also worked, weren't family oriented shows either.
I think it had just as much to do with style of delivery and the intimacy provided by the microphone (which really wasn't used in theaters). Also, the demise of vaudeville and burlesque resulted in acts starting to work in much smaller and more demographically specific venues, in which a stool, a mic and a spotlight were all that was required to have a real "conversation" with an audience. |
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wulfiesmith Inner circle Beverley, UK 1339 Posts |
She grasped England by the throat with her outspoken comments ...
I will truly miss her. WulfieSmith |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
One more thing about Joan Rivers I want to add. A disagreement by the way that I have with many of my leftist friends...
Although her personal politics were reactionary, and her targets were not always the people I would have made fun of, her redeeming quality--what made good on her belief that anyone was a fair target for humor--was that she also made fun of herself as well. That fact about her distinguishes her from comics like like Eddie Murphy--probably the most gifted comic in my lifetime--who used their gift to attack those less powerful than themselves and never allowed themselves to be viewed as vulnerable. And for me, that puts Rivers in a separate category.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Another take on Joan Rivers. The article and the reponses it garnered make for interesting reading:
http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2014/0......01991773
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