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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ferguso......-BBdcnfK
I have mixed feelings about this. At first I thought it sounded like a good idea. But then as I read further in the article it seems that this group has now set rules of engagement that they want followed. Who would police the following of such rules and what would be the punishment if broken? Not going off on a tangent about the incident here. Just stick to the subject of a possibility of another party stepping in to tell officers how to do their job and wanting advance notice of an indictment or not sounds to say the least not a smart idea. I mean it seems that they have already set up rules of engagement (19 of them) that they want officials to follow. I said "way back when" that this is going to be a serious situation when the ruling on the indictment comes out. I feel that this plan may make it worse not better whichever way the jury goes. Not to say the least, that it would set a precedent that I am not sure we really want. VIEWS.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
The proposed rules of engagement are at the second link (that link is contained in the article at the first link below):
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/us/ferguso......dex.html http://media.wix.com/ugd/9c5255_9d557248......82d4.pdf Most (I said most, not all) of them seem fairly common sense, things the police should be doing at all times anyway. I don't see how the police are in any way obliged to follow these "rules", though, even if the authorities "agreed" to them.
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lunatik Inner circle 3222 Posts |
Rule #7 is just plain ridiculous imo. If they do encounter a full riot, molotov cocktails and big rocks being thrown, gun fire.....Please wait there while we retreat and go change our clothing/gear!
#8 as well, no tear gas, rubber bullets? Only an idiot would think that was a great idea, unless they want the cops to use real bullets I very well may be wrong, but if the officer isn't charged, all Hades will break out and the ghetto will act ghetto, tearing down their own community.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Anyone who thinks that the police will feel constrained by "negotiations" does not know their history.
The police follow their orders. In situations like this, the orders are given by politicians. I hope the politicians make some good decisions.
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lunatik Inner circle 3222 Posts |
Politicians making good decisions with officers boots on ground? if it's a liberal politician, the cops might as well show up in flip flops and a cheetah thong. If it's a conservative politician, they'll be fully prepared for ANY event that may occur in a split second. It may save lives and property.
A lot of Liberals would rather the community be put at risk than to let the cops do their job, unimpeded. Were there some opportunities for improvement at the last riot? Yes there were. Hopefully, they've been addressed.
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
Hickory shampoo time.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Quote:
On Nov 7, 2014, Kabbalah wrote: Is that a prediction or prescription?
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Quote:
On Nov 6, 2014, lunatik wrote: A lot of Conservatives don't care what civil liberties are infringed upon as long as it happens to "those other people" and doesn't affect them personally.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I am a conservative and I care about everyone and their civil rights. I do not think tyranny forced upon people for their own good is a thing we should do though.
I agree some conservatives think that way much as some liberals want to force large government upon the masses.
Danny Doyle
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Thank you Danny. It's the "wide brush" that ticks me off. (Sort of thing Rush is so good at; "Liberals want this! Liberals want that!")
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
He is GREAT at that I agree.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
We all know "Godwin's Law" (I'm not evoking it here.)
I'm calling "Ben's Law," how long in a thread about curtailing civil liberties for security before someone brings up Benjamin Franklin's quote; http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. This was first written by Franklin for the Pennsylvania Assembly in its Reply to the Governor (11 Nov. 1755) This quote was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it. An earlier variant by Franklin in Poor Richard's Almanack (1738): "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." Many paraphrased derivatives of this have often become attributed to Franklin: They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither. He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither. Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither. Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security. Oh wait... I just did.
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