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443magicman New user 76 Posts |
So for a while now I have been wondering if there is any good card vanishes out there. I know about the back palm and the tenkai palm but that's about it. Does anyone know a good one? Thanks!
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Mike Gilbert Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
There are plenty out there. What research have you done? How long have you been practicing magic? Loads of material to choose from.
-Mike Gilbert
"Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance."- Steven Pressfield |
civins Regular user Scotland 128 Posts |
Learn a good palm, and then have a think about how to get rid of your card once you've palmed it.
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Mike Gilbert Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
Let's focus on resources. What type of magic are you looking to perform? Close up? Manipulation? On stage or surrounded? Things of this sort could help point you in the right direction.
-Mike Gilbert
"Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance."- Steven Pressfield |
frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
Also what about reappearance the vanish will depend on where you want the card to reappear. For example wallet, pocket, reversed in the deck, folded up in an orange. What I'm saying is you need a plot then learn the necessary vanish to get there. You will find plenty of resources in print of any of theses plots and the necessary vanish to get there. Hope this makes sense and is helpful.
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kaubell New user 90 Posts |
This is not much related to single card vanish, but I had one teaching experience with card to impossible location.
I said "your card has now vanished from the deck, look through" and they were amazed "how that can vanish like that, that's impossible" the pure vanish puzzled a lot him. Then I showed the impossible location reveal and the puzzle changed to "aah, I didn't saw that, how did you do that" and because they got answer where the card went it brought down the mystery. The magic moment was strongest in the moment with no answers, just mystery, pure vanish. Once they got the answer to where it vanished, it brought down the effect. I learned from this and redesigned the presentation. But this proved me just a vanish can be very mystery effect alone. It puzzles with its mystery without any answers to "where". From this experience I made impromptu 'card vanishe from the deck' plots and I'm pleased with my found. Im only a keen hobbyist, not a pro, its just my experience, thanks |
Mike Gilbert Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
Thanks for sharing your experience kaubell! Keep in mind, too, that you always (in most cases anyway) want to reveal or reproduce that card. As a performer, you want to build tension, and then release. In this case, you would build tension by making a card vanish. The audience is on their toes and flying high from amazement (hopefully). We can't leave them hanging there. We need to guide them back down. In this case, bringing that card back in some magical fashion helps release that tension so the audience can process and enjoy the entire experience.
-Mike Gilbert
"Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance."- Steven Pressfield |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
IMO, all good comments above!
Now, I'll ask "the" question! WHY do you want to vanish a card in the first place? The answer to that ??? would determine the "method" used to vanish the card!!! In some "vanishes", THAT is the total effect. Viz.: Vanishing bird cage, Thurton's IASIA, The "dizzy limit" (cargo net) vanish--I can't remember "whose") In other cases, the vanished object is reproduced from "somewhere". --e.g.: card in "impossible place", Basic rule: "THE EFFECT IS MORE IMPORTANT TBAN THE METHOD." You are obviously, new, and an amateur. (Nothing wrong with either of those!) Are you serious about actually BECOMING a magician??? If so, start reading!!! TARBELL will guide you in the right direction. Learning methods, is going about learning to be a magician, the "hard way". The "banner" at the top says: "magicians helping magicians". That doesn't mean that I or anyone else can or should, do "it" FOR you. It means that I, or any member may help you to do "it" for yourself. A. Lincoln said: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach him HOW to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." The old proverb: "THE MAN WHO KNOWS 'HOW', WORKS FOR THE MAN WHO KNOWS 'WHY'!". Find out, WHY! (Tarbell!)
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
>>>"ONION"<<<!
Good comments above! You are obviously THINKING!
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
Yeah you can pretty much take both what Dick Osland and Raging Onion to the bank. Both gave you great advice. I like What Onion said about Tension and release cause that's pretty much the idea behind any great plot. and if you you take Dicks advice about reading Tarbell I can pretty much guarantee you will have enough information to figure out your own card Vanishes.
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
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On Dec 31, 2014, kaubell wrote: Hey thanks For sharing this. and there is nothing wrong with making the vanish alone the plot especialy in impromptu situations. and honestly unless you can to an imposible location relatively quick and keep the imposability of the effect intact I really don't recomend doing it on the srteet for people who are already in a hurry. it just wont go well because there is a fine line between entertaining an audience and holding your audience hostage. just remember that and also remember less is more. Eric Clapton once said its not what youre doing so much as what youre not doing. |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hey Frank!
Very well said! And, I really like your Claton quote! Jay Marshall's always said, "When you've got the act "set", start editing. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water! but, EDIT!
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Mike Gilbert Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
Thanks Dick and Frank! It's always good to know I'm not totally out in left field with my advice
I've said this to others, and I'll say it to the very end... To the OP: Mr. Oslund's word is GOLD. The man has been through the gauntlet and back, so please take note of anything he has to offer! Most importantly...don't be afraid to come back with your questions and share your progress! Just be sure to do your due diligence!
-Mike Gilbert
"Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance."- Steven Pressfield |
frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
Thanks guys! I was one of the blockhead entertainers that had to learn this lesson the hard way so I stress this through my experience with it .
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Mike Gilbert Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
And that's what it's all about: Experience! Thanks again Frank!
-Mike Gilbert
"Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance."- Steven Pressfield |
frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
You too Onion!
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443magicman New user 76 Posts |
Thanks everyone for your feedback, working on palms.
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443magicman New user 76 Posts |
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On Dec 29, 2014, raging_onion wrote: I have been practicing magic for a couple of years now and know how to do a lot of moves. |
Prahlad New user 96 Posts |
I think that palming a card out of the deck is not the best way of making a card vanish unless you can in some way make it appear as if the spectator's card is still in the deck after you p*** it out. This is why I think that using a packet vanish where you can !@#$* c**** the packet after the selected card is no longer in the packet (or never was) is superior because it makes it seem as if the card is still there even though it isn't. For this reason, I think that the biddle trick, the psychotronic card, cannibal cards, etc. are superior for making a card vanish.
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anatuncay New user Texas 13 Posts |
I enjoyed reading this thread. hehehe
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