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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
Hi everyone ,
I hope this is the right place to post this... I'm just learning coin magic and am currently working on my Classic Palm. However I can't seem to get the 'grip' to hold the coin in place without using one of my fingers, either index or ring, to (quickly) secure it. I'd like to be able to do it by just catching it using the 2 fleshy parts of my palm without using any fingers to aid this as the finger movement seems to be too noticeable and ruins my false transfer. Do any of you guys have any help/advice for trapping the coin? Any techniques of even exercises I could do? I'm based in the UK so it's a combination of £2, 10p and 2p coins I've bee practicing with. Thanks, Craig |
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Bin Regular user 124 Posts |
In my (limited) experience, you can palm it if you get it in the right position. Try using your fingers to get it there before flipping your hand palm up. Then palm it and try a classic vanish. I think with more experience you should be able to bounce it around and find the spot immediately. (I can't exactly do this myself.)
Remember Quacky.
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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
Thanks for the reply Bin. What you've suggested is a bit like what I've been doing. Actually, I think you described it better than I did!
I think I've found the 'sweet spot' in my hand so yes, I do palm it first then turn my hand over so that it is palm upwards. I then release, so the coin is lying flat in my hand. The problem then is that I can't 'grab' it again without using one of my fingers. I've seen other guys manage this but just can't seem to do it myself. Help! |
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Ha Bin
Welcome to the café.You will get it down pat in time.It just takes time and practice to accomplish.Check out the coin section below. Theres a lot of great tips and ideas there. Todd |
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Snoogansgt New user 74 Posts |
What type of effect are you trying to use in with?
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GS121002 Veteran user but he still can't help build a border wall with only 313 Posts |
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On Jun 2, 2015, CraigMcK wrote: Now this may sound a little nut-so but I found that the physical condition of my hands was very important to doing coin manipulation. If I ate too much salt, my finger joints would swell making manipulation difficult so now I try to totally avoid salt in my diet. Next I found that I benefited from regular finger tendon stretching and hand massage. Finger exersizes are also beneficial such as doing coin rolling. (It also impresses people.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVVQWh_FwpU Use a good hand lotion and be sure to get a regular manicure. No one wants to see someone doing coin work with grubby finger nails. ' '
Gary Salisbury
San Diego, CA It's a fact! - Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (This line censored by Dave Scribner because it is in Latin) - What you believe is real, is real! Who was that masked man and what is he all about? - https://www.pinterest.com/garydsalisbury/ |
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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
Snoogangst, I'm just learning the basics still. Nothing fancy - I'm trying to do a simple vanish by transferring the coin from one hand to the other but retaining the coin in classic palm. The hand is irrelevant (ultimately I want to do it just as well with either hand) but for this example let's say I start with the coin lying in my right hand. It's still in the middle of my palm, which is facing upwards. I now want to throw it into my left hand and close my left hand around it. I start to rotate my right hand and begin to move it across towards my left. And as I do this I want to grip the coin in CP but not use any of my fingers to secure it, albeit very lightly, to hold it in place. I think that even using my ring finger quickly to help doesn't make the move look right. I know it's possible but it just seems to slip up the side of my thumb 'muscle' in my plam or go the other way and move up the side of the other fleshy bit as I push the pinky side of the palm in.
Maybe Gary nailed part of it. Maybe my skin is just too dry but then again no one likes sweaty palms! 😜 That said... Will finger exercises help strengthen the muscles in my plam though? Is it really just practice,practice, practice that I need? |
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GS121002 Veteran user but he still can't help build a border wall with only 313 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2015, CraigMcK wrote: Wiggle your fingers. Did your palm muscles move? Try the coin roll exersize and report back in a week. I would bet your palming will start to come around.
Gary Salisbury
San Diego, CA It's a fact! - Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (This line censored by Dave Scribner because it is in Latin) - What you believe is real, is real! Who was that masked man and what is he all about? - https://www.pinterest.com/garydsalisbury/ |
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Snoogansgt New user 74 Posts |
I struggle to do a great classic palm, so I can't offer you much help there. What I can say is that the retention of vision coin vanish by Dai Vernon may be worth a look. It is a beautiful and natural coin vanish. I use this theory on more than just coins as well. A very versatile vanish you could possibly look into. Good luck with the classic palm. I hope you have better luck than I did. Getting my hand to look natural while palming has always been a challenge for me. Best wishes!
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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
You're right Gary. I wiggle my fingers and I can see the outer edge of my palm moving. Ok, I'll accept your challenge. I've watched the video and will try to learn the coin roll for a week. If it doesn't improve my palm grip at least I'll be able to roll a coin! ;-)
As for the Dai Vernon vanish I'll have a look into it. I've been working from a mixture of Bobo's MCM book and "in the beginning there were coins" DVD by Jay Noblezada. Don't suppose it's in either of those? I'll have a watch again. I've kinda stalled working from them until I get my vanishes working... |
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
When a false transfer is made all the attention should be on the hand the coin was supposedly
Placed. So a little hand movement to get into CP should go unnoticed. If ur intending to get into CP by turning the had over this should require Very little effort providing the coin is in the middle Of the hand. |
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JonathanB New user Hampshire, UK 67 Posts |
I'm just starting out with this too and have been watching Tarbell Lesson 3 from the Every Trick in the Book series. I find that my palm is much less flat than Dan Harlan shows - by which I mean the base of my thumb seems to have to push towards my little finger a lot more. Then again I'm also in the UK and have been mainly trying with a 10p coin which is a bit smaller than a half dollar which seems to be standard in the US.
Craig, how have you found the Jay Noblezada DVD that you mention? When I popped into Merchant of Magic last week, it was one that they recommended. |
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AidanHeritage Regular user 102 Posts |
A 10p is a little small, but does work - an old english penny is the same size (pretty much) as a half dollar, or you could try £2 coins - once you've got it, you can go smaller - I've just put a 5p in CP, though I'm not sure I'd ever actually use the palm for that coin, preferring one of the other options!
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JonathanB New user Hampshire, UK 67 Posts |
Thanks Aidan. Typically I haven't got a £2 coin handy at the moment - will have to go to the shops and buy some chocolate or something!
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
In the U.S. you can get an adhesive material called Gorilla Snot in stores that cater to guitar players. A little dab in the right spot when you are starting out will reduce the length and slope of the learning curve. Eliminate the use of the material as soon as possible.
Custom Props Designer and Fabricator as well as Performer from Indiana, USA
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
Also, the problem is likely using too much pressure in the palming action. When you get the coin in place the slightest tap on the back of the hand should dislodge the coin.
Custom Props Designer and Fabricator as well as Performer from Indiana, USA
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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
Jonathan, the Jay Nobliezada video I thought was really good. I've not seen too many other coin vids but I'd definitely recommend it. He explains things well and demonstrates it clearly. Explains angles and covers all the main palms, vanishes and productions.
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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
What about a 2p coin? It's only a couple of mm bigger than a 10p but it might be enough to make a somewhat small difference? Failing that, I'd definitely suggest £2 coin. It's a little bigger again and also heavier. Maybe I'm under a false delusion but I would think that the heavier the coin the stronger your palming muscles need to be, so it should then become easier to palm lighter coins..?
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CraigMcK New user Only managed 50 Posts |
Well, I'm getting better at rolling coins over my knuckles but still struggling with CP. I'm still trying to avoid using my finger to fix the coin, have realised that when I do use my finger, doing it quickly as I rotate my left hand round during the 'throw' into my left, it seems to hide the action a little. I'm not sure if this is a bad habit but seems to work...
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Bin Regular user 124 Posts |
Yes, do this. Use your finger when you can. You should lose dependance the more you practice, but that's how it is with all crutches. Besides, even if you don't need to use your finger it can help if you're going to be palming something for a little while and want to get it in a good position. (Alternatively, you can palm it awkwardly and get a better long term grip later when they turn their heads to look at the small explosion you've rigged to provide misdirection in situations such as these.)
Remember Quacky.
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