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Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
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foutriqu1 New user 64 Posts |
I Billy. Thanks for posting. My two cents : you should stop licking that thumb again and again. Kind of a tell don't you think ? And you are swinging the deck way too much in my opinion. For the technical parts, as I am a push-off adept, I'll let the specialists of the strike 2nd give you their advice and tips if they feel like it.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Your strike is very nice, but if you have to lick your thumb every single time you deal, being "very nice" is irrelevant.
Licking your thumb at the card table is always frowned on - whether you're dealing seconds or not |
Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
Artie,
I wouldn't like my thumb if I didn't have to but in all seriousness, my fingers are so dry. Any suggestions regarding other, more hygienic, ways of getting moisture on the fingers? Foutriqu1, I know what you are saying about the swinging deck, its a rhythm thing that I have hard time breaking from, something to work on for sure. respect, Billy |
foutriqu1 New user 64 Posts |
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http://www.leeproducts.com/sorting_sortkwik.aspx |
Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Dai Vernon and a ton of other card guys swore by Chamberlain's Golden Touch.
As foutriqu1 noted, Sortkwik has been popular. It does have alcohol in it, which some card guys avoid putting on their hands. Corn Husker's Lotion, is a glycerine based product a lot of guys like. Some note that Astroglide is perfect for dry hands. You'll also read in more than a few card forums that Vagisil work well on dry hands. (no joke). |
JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
With regard to dry hands -
I have used Neutrogena brand hand creme for about 15 years now with good results (and I still have small trial-sized containers of it that I travel with). Recently Johnny Thompson and Paul Vigil turned me on to O'Keefe's Working Hands creme which I also like and use fairly often. But, as Artie mentioned above, SortKwik (or the original PaperCreme if you can still find it) is the best stuff to apply directly to your thumb for a good deal of tackiness that won't get in the way of other card work. I use it all the time. Jason
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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foutriqu1 New user 64 Posts |
Here is another suggestion I've found on the cardshark forum (RIP).
http://www.twinlab.com/product/na-pca-non-oily-0 Has anyone tried this ? |
Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
Paper Crème you can get it from Amazon, that's the only stuff that works for me.
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Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
All,
Thanks for the advice. In addition, the workers (card magic) forum made constant remarks about the lack of thumb movement. Its an easy adjustment however I decreased my thumb movement on purpose. Should I add more thumb movement. Also, my thumb does move when Im doing the 2nd but my exaggerated wrist movment covers the thumb sway, perhaps if I have less motion in my wrist my thumb motions will look more natural. Also noted, is that when I deal tops my thumb flares up a little bit due to the release of the card from the top, that seems to be a bigger hurdle to overcome, suggestions? Billy |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I did not realize there were so many preparations that could be used to give greater "stickiness" or "dampness" to the thumb when dealing strike seconds. I guess with all those potions, it is about time for me to discard having a wet sponge in my side pocket, although I still like the wet sponge technique for moistening the thumb and the other fingers if necessary.
However, does anyone have any recommendations as to which of these many preparations would be preferable for dealing thirds, fourths and fifths and also for the center and bottom deal? Is there one preparation that works best for all these deals? Quote:
On Oct 23, 2015, Billy-one wrote: I don't mean to be flippant, but if you have a problem with the joint of your thumb flaring up, Mickey MacDougall's solution of amputating the first joint on any problem finger that causes joint/finger flashing with false deals might be appropriate here. Finally, in retrospect I still like the wet sponge in the pocket for wetting the fingers for false deals. Just make sure the sponge is "dripping" wet because it may be in the pocket for many hours during a game and you don't want it to dry out prematurely. |
Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
"During a game"!! lol, I don't think my 2nds would work during a game by any means. Amputation might be the way to go though.
billy |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I should add a caveat regarding using the wet sponge in the pocket technique for moistening the fingers or thumb for false deals as mentioned above.
If you are going to use a dripping web sponge (highly recommended) have your pocket lined with plastic or some other non-porous material otherwise it may appear you have wet your pants. Incidentally the wet sponge technique has never been divulged before and is the "real work" among professionals. |
Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2015, Cagliostro wrote: Preparation H. |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Oct 24, 2015, Artie Fufkin wrote: Cream or suppository formula? |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I notice that in Billie-one's strike second deal he hits the card off the upper right hand corner. That is pretty standard but for added deception I prefer using the Monster Grip and not striking the upper right hand corner.
Let me clarify. The "Erdnase Grip" places the forefinger and middle finger of the left hand along the upper edge of the deck. I call that the "Grotesque Grip" and few hold the deck that way except Steve Forte for his demo strike bottom deal and pseudo center deal. I have modified that grip for added deception by placing the forefinger, middle and ring finger along the upper edge of the deck, with the little finger along the side. I call this the "Monster Grip." (Hey, if Marlo can make up names for various grips, why can't I?) So a much more deceptive strike second deal can be had by using the Monster Grip and hitting the second card out along the lower right edge of the deck. The top card is pushed straight forward over the upper edge of the deck and in perfect alignment with the deck. This leaves the entire bottom edge of the deck exposed. The right thumb then hits anywhere along the lower edge of the deck for the second deal. This eliminates the telltale gap along the upper right hand corner which is so prevalent with the standard strike second deal. Once the second card is hit, of course the top card is brought back square with the deck to allay any possible suspicion. I should add for the sake of completeness, if the left little finger along the side of the deck gets in the way...well...you guessed it...amputate! (By the way Billy-one, is there a Billy-"two" somewhere? No pun intended.) |
Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
I have tightened up my technique, pls comment on video as I have taken into consideration the critiques.
respect, Billy |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Dec 8, 2016, Billy-one wrote: Are you referring to the original video initially posted or do you have a new secret video that you want us to comment on but we can't see? |
Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
Ugh,
Not sure why but the video wont post/load. Computers are hard. Respect, Billy |
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