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Logan Inner circle 2290 Posts |
Hey guys,
I got a problem with my Invisible Deck. I reckon there wasn't enought roughing fluid applied to it - thus after like a couple of times using it - 'all' the cards spread, if you know what I mean. I also have the Mental Photography deck, which also utilizes the rough/smooth principle, but it's MUCH better, in fact, i can even ribbon spread it without a worry. So i have a basis of comparison as to performance quality of the invisible deck. My query is, should I get the roughing fluid and apply it myself or get a new invisible deck. Cos if I get the roughing fluid, surely I would have some roughing fluid left over and what am I gonna do with that anyway? I also heard of the 'Invisible Deck (Deluxe Professional Version)' which seems to be of excellent quality, check it out here: http://www.elmagicshop.com/cgi-bin/2/web......49310.d9 So, what should I do? Thanx in advance! Logan
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Logan Inner circle 2290 Posts |
I know this sounds like a pretty corny topic, but my invisible deck is one of my first tricks...
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Geoff Williams Special user St. Pete Beach, FL 617 Posts |
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On 2002-06-28 23:50, Logan wrote: If your entire ID is shot, buy a new one. Much less work. And the time involved in roughing an entire deck that is commercially and readily available probably isn't cost-effective. If you buy roughing fluid, you can: 1) "touch up" ID pairs that tend to seperate over time from extended use and 2) custom rough regular or gimmicked/feked cards (to construct specialized trick decks and packets as described in a myriad of books, magazines and manuscripts) In fact, #2 alone might be a good enough reason for anybody to have a can/bottle of the stuff on hand.
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Platt Inner circle New York 2015 Posts |
I've had the same problems. Do yourself a favor and buy a can of aerosal roughing fluid. It's very cheap, and like Paul mentioned, can be used to touch up separating pairs. Of course then there's the problem of the cards being too rough. Just break them in a bit.
As for the Deluxe ID, sounds like a bunch of garbage. The perfect amount of roughing fluid isn't going to be the perfect amount for long.
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PaulGreen Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Hi guys,
I agree that if your ID is shot that you just get (or make) another one. Problems occur when the cards get dirty. Roughed cards also work better when they are warm. I always keep my ID close to my body before performing. Good luck with making your own. Regards, Paul Green |
Thoughtreader Inner circle Calgary, Alberta, Canada 1565 Posts |
When working with any effect using roughing fluid, I always traveled with a "roughing stick" that I purchased years ago. Made quick touch ups on sigle cards quick, easy and clean with no mess. One of those things you should always have in your case.
Also, rubbing the card with a piece of clean flet seems to help restore the sticking quality too. PSIncerely Yours, Paul Alberstat |
Logan Inner circle 2290 Posts |
Ok guys, lets say I DO use the roughing liquid, on my ID and then I use it on something else, is there a way I can remove it from that 'something' else if i needed to or is it permanant?
Thanx! Logan
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Victor Brisbin Elite user Washington, DC / NOVA 432 Posts |
I'm not sure if the reference to a "roughing stick" is the same thing I have in mind. You can use the rub-on stick that office supply stores sell to make instant "post-it" type notes. It will keep cards together, but they will also separate cleanly, if needed. For general rough and smooth work, or to "revitalize" your roughed cards, I suggest using an aerosol called Artist's Matte Spray. Works like a charm, and it is much more economical than buying the same thing in a smaller spray can marked "Roughing Spray" at a magic shop.
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
Here's another tip. People have commented that the older R&S decks seemed to work better than the new ones. there's a reason for that. Not only were the roughed cards roughed, but the smooth cards were given a coat of Simonize car wax to make them slicker--thus the cards that are supposed to spread do so much easier, so you don't have to worry about the wrong cards "sticking".
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
Here's what I do:
Start with a deck of cards that are merely plastic coated, rather than those with a finish (i.e. Aircushion finish, Linen finish, etc.). 100% plastic cards work the best of all because they resist humidity. Get a little roughing spray and spray the backs with two very light coats, allowing them to dry between coats. The cards should be spread-out on newspaper when you spray them and when they are drying. I always make my own Invisible Decks, because I can rely on them. |
phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
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On 2002-06-29 00:04, Geoff Williams wrote: Without wishing to deviate too much from the original topic, what sort of effects can be done with a pair of rough and smooth cards? Oh, and slightly back on track, 1)how does rough and smooth spray work? 2)how much wwould a can/bottle cost? Thank you for any help on the above questions, |
Jorge Gonzalvo New user Spain 71 Posts |
I use to make also my ID and it works great!
I use a particular trick to that, I have used all kind of sprays and materials, and I found the best solution that I know. It´s a special wax used for repairing surf tables , it costs no more than one dollar in USA and it smells great. I don´t know if I can post the name here, in the topic, please, tell me it and if not, send me a private message. I use it for more card effects and is the best thing that exists. Everybody that uses it at first time, goes happy! Jorge |
zeroG Regular user 183 Posts |
I made my first ID last night. I used matt finish spray and very little at that. You can get it at your favorite art supplier. After they dry rub the backs together to get off some of the finish. I was suprised how easy it was!
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gilbreath76 Loyal user 279 Posts |
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On 2002-06-30 02:46, Logan wrote: I'm sure it's permanent. Now even if you can remove it, I assume it would be time consuming. If card magic is your hobby, you're gonna have to get used to spending a little on cards. Go to wall-mart, bikes are only 3 bucks for 2 decks. And remember to always save your used cards because as you get more advanced, you'll find that there are many uses for old cards such as practicing torn and restored, mercury folds, signing cards, etc... |
DaveM Special user Germany 788 Posts |
I've tried "repairing" the deck and believe me its just easier to buy a new one.
Your repairs are going to be "tackier" than the rest of the cards so you'll end up trying to rub them together to reduce friction. |
Geoff Williams Special user St. Pete Beach, FL 617 Posts |
I prefer to repair a deck as long as the edges are clean.
If you spray a pair sparingly, they shouldn't be much tackier than the rest of the working pairs. And, if it should be the case, a few rubs with a light cloth will break them in nicely.
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MagiclDave New user Maryland 50 Posts |
It all depends if you want to go through the time putting it on yourself which in more cost affective, or spend a little more money for a new deck
-Dave |
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