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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
During discussion I constantly come across magicians that says "bla bla bla, BUT if you are a worker, bla bla bla"
I understand when people say "This trick is a real worker" I understand when people say "If you are a thread worker" But just worker as a definition is so broad I have no idea what they are talking about. |
Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
This is the "Our New Arrivals" area, where new members introduce themselves.
You might want to ask in the area where it came up. But.... I'd say a worker is someone who has enough experience and works often enough to know to look for practical Tricks. I.E. easy to carry, no reset, angle proof, doesn't require a table and an entertaining performance (rather than just technically skilled). Best of luck in your quest SoyMilky. -Mary |
SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
That must be it ! Thank you beautiful lady.
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supertoad12 New user Choose a number between 1 and 88 Posts |
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On Feb 11, 2017, SoyMilky wrote: This is not the "Cruising" area either. Please post this in the proper section. LOL! Have fun with Magic...but yeah, Mary is something else!
Steph
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Honesty compells me to say that in a strange twist, OLD photos look YOUNGER. LOL
-Mary |
SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
You people are just the best.
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
So true.
Other considerations workers take into account are: Is the trick good for all ages? Can it play big and small? Can it work silent (because of language or sound issues)? Does it fit my character? (Sometimes a performers can sell you on a trick but what is really selling it is their performance of it. Face it, we are not Tony Slydini so if it is HIS way of doing it that is making it sooo good, step back and ask how you could present it. Where would I perform this? Do I already do this trick/affect in another form and do I need another one? (My tool box is filled with penetrations because I find them Magical. So, I'm not setting the best example there. LOL) No one trick is apt to fit all the criteria but if you ask yourself a series of questions BEFORE you lay your money/time down on a trick, you are building a repertoire that will serve you better. You can save years and cash this way. Dick Oslund has written a lot about about this here so, if you do a search of workers and Dick Oslund you may come up with his posts. Dick has one of the best "working" repertoires I've ever seen. -Mary Mowder |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Egad Mary!
Thanks for your kind (and, truthful words--hee hee) but, now, I must go and get a new, BIGGER hat! (This is becoming expensive!!!) Yeah, I've written, rather extensively, about "criteria for selecting tricks to use in one's act". Granted that while I tried to keep my list of criteria, as general as possible, and as practicable as possible, I was particularly concerned with my need, as a touring professional, to produce a show that could be presented (and, would "play")almost anywhere for almost anybody. --And, I was booked "almost anywhere" for "almost anybody", OFTEN! My manager knew what I could do, and, kept me BUSY! I guess that you could call me a "worker"! (I THINK that I was!) I wrote a lot about this sort of thing, in my book, as you are aware, Mary. BTW, I note you've listed: "Can it "work" silent, due to language difficulties and/or sound issues?" I'll add that to my list. It probably could be a part of my "anywhere for anybody" criterion, but, I've had those "challenges" a "few" times (hail storm on tin roof in gymnasium in Kansas, high school, starting in middle of program, and, no mike! brass band rehearsing outside gym with windows open, and construction crew with bull dozers, back hoes, ETC. starting to work, just as I started performing. Of course, I broke in the business, in a carnie side show when I was a teen, so, I learned early, what was "needed"!
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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
Thank you for introducing me to Tony Slydini.
I saw his video and I just want to cry. The things that he does, those slight of hands, are what we are taught in simple kids library books. And I always thought "oh that's kids stuff, I need gimmicks, I need the I.T.R, I need my Gimmick A, B and Gimmick C" Watching him makes me realize it was not the gimmicks, it is the performance....knowing how it was done only makes it MORE AMAZING because I STILL GOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD, understanding it via retrospect only adds to the magic. Thank you Mary for showing me this legend. There you go Dick Oslund ! Calling yourself a worker...I don't really understand that word being use in this context. Does that mean other magicians don't work as hard as you that you call yourself a worker ? Or calling oneself a worker means one is relegated to a specific genre of tricks ? What does worker means under your context ? |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
What do you mean by: ..."There you go Dick Oslund! Calling yourself a worker..."
I don't care WHAT, YOU THINK, that I AM or WAS. Scroll up, and read what my dear friend, of many years, Mary Mowder, said in her first post, and in the last paragraph of her post on February 12, at 12:40 PM. I'm certainly not a first o' May. I knew Quintino Marucci (that's Slydini's real name) long before you showed up on this lot.
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Dick,
I don't think Soymilky was casting aspersions. He doesn't really get that a "worker" is one who works A LOT, enough to know the ropes, choose good material, knows that show business is more than half business, that sort of thing. If a person is a "worker" one would expect that they have experience in several different areas of Magic but not all (no-one could). A worker would likely know a lot of historical Magicians (by virtue of being in the Magic community for a long time) but many Magicians have lived a long time. A worker was working and learning practical lessons all that time. Soymilky, Dick is a worker. If you look the word up in the "Magicians Dictionary" (purely metaphorical) you would see Dick's Photo. Please let us know if you know what is meant by "worker" now. I can't be more explicit. Make it right with Dick. Dick is a great help to many newbies here and experienced Magicians as well (including myself). You would be wise to make friends with him. I have a lot of experience but I would not call myself a worker (no business sense). I'm on the path and Dick is helping me. Dick can help you if you listen. -Mary Mowder |
SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
I was taken aback by the stance of defense from Dick Oslund, I was literally thinking to myself "Why is he responding as though I am attacking him, I am so confused !"
I am simply asking about the meaning of the word, Mary understood my intention exactly. I think I have concluded my definition now for I now fear that any further question will lead to someone feeling attacked, an emotion I have no intention of perpetrating. A Worker is: For Magician description: 1: Someone who spend many years doing magic. 2: Someone who is intricately knowledgeable about the history of magic [but is that necessary ? Ok Stop asking questions, sorry.] 3: Knows many genres of Magic. For Gimmicks, it means: 1: The ability to fit multiple personalities/acts/Environment to get its job done. 2: Silence/invisible/un-detectable[as much as possible]. 3: Reset-able [quickly] Thank you Mary. Now I understand from you that this word have two distinct meanings, one for organics and one for props, thank you so much. Thank you so so much. Dear Dick Oslund, I am sorry if what I have typed caused you to mis-interprete as an attack on your character. [Am I doing good Mary ?] |
Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
It is not up to me.
-Mary |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Thank you, Mary, for your kind words above. I value our friendship!
I did write a comment on Soymilky's remarks, above, and then, I deleted it. I consider myself to be a bit of a wordsmith. I don't easily "misinterpret" statements, as this guy seems to think. Best wishes... O
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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
Thanks Mary, for trying to patch us up, I tried too.
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DaCardician New user 10 Posts |
For me, a worker is one where you are able to perform the effect / routine in the real world, for real people. Simple as that.
I would say that while I don't get paid for performing, when I perform I perform to the level of that a 'professional'. Just because I don't get paid, in my opinion it doesn't make me any less than a professional. Magic that can only really be done on video, or not to a live audience, that type of magic is 'not worker' material.. while that which I can perform for real people in real performing environments.. are. It could also be said that if you consider working magicians.. working material are also those which can be performed and reset easily, from table to table.. from crowd to crowd.. with minimal reset time. Clearly in all above examples, the effects themselves would have to be strong - that goes without saying |
SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
Thank you for such a clear definition of the term worker when describing tricks.
Thanks ! Effects like the snap change clearly only work in video, and if something can only be done in video, I rather post production, atleast you can make it even more amazing. And good for you for performing well regardless of whether you are paid or not ! For the love of Magic ! |
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