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DavidCaserta New user 81 Posts |
They now have the camcorders that record directly to hard drives built into the camcorders. No more tapes. I never used one, but that seems like the way to go. Sometimes my DV tapes have blotches on the images.
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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
I read a few months ago that the first hard drive camcorders that came out still did not provide the same quality as MiniDV. With so many recent new ones on the market this may have changed though. Hopefully they bring out high-def hard drive camcorders before I buy my next one. Tapes just feel so wrong, so 80's or something.
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ScottRSullivan Special user 874 Posts |
In the pro world, hard drive recording has been around for YEARS. One model is the Firestore drive. It's a Firewire drive that records the signal coming out of the Firewire drive and into a 200 Gig hard drive (size various on model). The drive is sold seperately, but attaches to most pro-video cameras.
The quality is broadcast quality. It's just recording the same signal to a hard drive in leui of or in addition to the tape. You are probably right about consumer grade hard drive cameras. They probably downgrade the signal. But as for the stuff we use, it's the same broadcast quality signal. Benefit of this for those who don't know? Unplug the Firestore drive from the camera after the shoot, hook up to computer's Firewire port and either edit directly from there or copy to an external drive for editing. One camera that I feel is revolutionary, which I mention in my post above, is the Panasonic HVX-200. This is a high def camera that records directly to a P2 card, which is like an SD flash drive on steroids. Take four PERFECT, ERROR FREE SD cards and hook them up like a raid drive, put them inside a PCMCIA card and you've got a card that can hold 4-8 Gigs. 16 Gigs coming this summer. 32 after that and so on. Plus, the HVX-200 can still hook up to the Firestore hard drive to record to a hard drive mounted on the camera. After the shoot, you plug it onto your computer and voila, instant access to all your high def video. When the camera records, there is NO mechanical movement. It's like digital still cameras. It records to the flash drive. So the camera's more rugged. Don't have to worry about bumping the tape or the tape head wearing out or the motor wearing out. I agree with you, tape is pretty much out. Once you edit with solid state media, you'll never want to record with tape again. The downside, this is VERY new technology and is still a bit expensive. That's the only thing keeping it from consumers right now. But in the pro world, people are grabbing this stuff up! Did I mention it's High Def too? And the first Blue-Ray (high def) DVDs are shipping this spring, I've heard. Exciting times guys! Scott |
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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
That sure is encouraging to hear; exciting too. Ahhh.....the dream, record high def video and still photos on the same handheld unit, using only solid state media. If I can get all that in a reasonably compact package with good low light performance and image stabilization for under $5,000 I'll be a very happy camper. It's probably not as far away as it feels.
Blue Ray is certainly long overdue. The new PS3 will be able to play it, which is also exciting.
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cartoon cowboy Regular user Lancaster, PA 104 Posts |
Excuse me if we already said this as I've sort of lost track of this post. But I was just discussing this topic today and I remembered something that may make things moot. Practically nobody has a true HD television. Most of what is sold as 'HD' in stores is not true HD, and will not show a true HD image any better than it would, say, a standard DVD (which is not true HD....yet!)
Blue Ray and the other home HD DVD format whose name I can't remember (which are true HD) are having touble with release dates right now because nobody will buy the players without DVDs in stores to buy for them, and nobody will buy the DVDs until the players come out! Hmmmmmmm reminiscent of the VHS vs. BETA vs. Laserdisk issues. My money is that folks who just bought their first DVD player about 5 years ago, and their first DVD recorder 1 or 2 years ago aren't going to run out for yet another format that they don't have a true HD television to view it on anyway. Ok, my head is techno-spinning now. Hope this is not redundant! - Erick
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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
Ok, I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say most new tv's cannot show "true" hdtv, but any tv that can NATIVELY display 1280x720 progressive or 1920x1080 interlaced lines of resolution is consider a true HDTV capable display. As long as your input signal is in one of these resolution formats, you can see true HDTV on these devices. Any scaling or encoding/decoding can cause signal degradation, but the end result, if properly scaled, is still considered actual HDTV. The problem is that there is very little actual hdtv content out there, not a shortage of new hdtv capable tv's on the market. All the new LCD tv's, plasma screens, and all the LCD/DLP/LCOS rear and front projection tvs can produce true 720p hdtv video so long as you are inputting a hdtv signal into them through their DVI/HDMI or component inputs.
Regular dvd's are not high def as they are recorded with only 720x480 progressive lines of resolution, although they can be made to look impressively closer to high-def if you use an up-converting dvd player or you use a home theatre personal computer to view on your hdtv capable display. The new Blue-Ray and HD-DVD ("HD-DVD" is actually the name) format war will become relevant as almost all new tvs now are true hdtv capable and all the large movie studios have committed to making the transition to one or both of the new formats. Although the HD-DVD format will be cheaper, I personally think Blue Ray will become the new format as it has more studios on side, it has higher resolution capability (1080p60), and it will be introduced in the new Playstation 3. Like a lot of people, the PS2 was my first DVD player and I'm betting the PS3 will be a lot of people's first high def dvd player. Anyway, those are my 2 cents.
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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
I don't know why I dug up this old thread, but it looks like I certainly called the winner on the format war. Are there any other predictions I can make for anyone? hahaha
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