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MrPoponi New user Brazil 93 Posts |
Hello, Masters!
Almost every time we talk about readings, Oracles are often involved. Usually they are Palmistry or Tarot. In my view, the oracles are a justification for giving readings. The reader needs to present something to the nanny as a divination system. But ... What about readings without Oracles? When the reader is himself Oracle? I think the reader can’t just look this consultant and start reading his/her mind without having a justification. I like make readings without oracles, but I feel that the presentation of oracles is necessary to increase the confidence of the spectator. Yes, I've done readings without oracles, but when I do, I like to take the nanny's hands and close my eyes (this “example” is would be a justification: I'm accessing a method). There are readers who seek to work their own appearance, with esoteric clothes, rings, tattoos, and more ... Anyway, I know that a reading without Oracles is the supreme power and final conquest of any Mind Reader. But I know that Oracles need to exist because they serve to increase credibility for some peoples. (The fact is that some people like to "see" symbologies to awaken their faith. Like a religious praying with a god´s statue in front of his/her. ) So I would like readers express your views on reading without Oracles and, if possible, to share your experiences. Thank´s |
ProfessorMagicJMG Loyal user 257 Posts |
The best resource I have found for what you describe is “Invisible Readings” by Enrique Enriquez, along with his invisible gemstone and invisible tarot books.
http://www.mevproshop.com/invisible-readings.html These are methods without physical objects that would allow you to do exactly what you already do, close your eyes and hold the person‘s hand, and although you are accessing an “Oracle“, it is imaginary yet it actually functions as an Oracle you can consult. The other option would be to use some simple object such as a stone or picture to “focus your mind” and do mind reading or cold reading as an Oracle presentation. Then, your object could be literally anything, a conversation piece or strange artifact, yet it would not function as an Oracle, simply an aid to your concentration. Then you would have an external “out” that you could use to explain missed or attribute success for hits, without having to rely on an actual Oracle system. Finally, I do not necessarily see doing readings without an oracle has a higher form of mentalism, to be seen as more advanced than using an Oracle. Many people study their particular oracles for years and years, and promoted as a form of scholarly expertise, rather than a crutch or a lesser form of insight.
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neocatalyst New user 71 Posts |
How about invisible oracles like Psychometry A-Z?
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts |
How about readings with Oreo's?
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2018, Bill Cushman wrote: Did he intrepret the reading into English or did you have to settle for French? I would suspect French Dressing would give some surprising information.
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
The reading was in Olde English and the dressing was Russian....
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MrPoponi New user Brazil 93 Posts |
Guys,
It really seems like a very long topic to talk about here. Write a book for each topic can be tiring ; repetitive. To summarize, I know that readings without props (oracles) work best in psychology and psychoanalysis. I just think interesting "naked mens" giving deep readings within the esoteric sense. I once consulted a spiritualist psychic who kept talking to me with her eyes closed for one hour. Yet the consultation no involved divinations, but revelations of the invisible side (world of the spirits), along with some soul poems. How would a law of Hermes Trismegistos: "Everything is Spiritual. The Universe is mental." |
WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I think part of the issue is that you're not really being clear on what you're asking or talking about.
Giving a reading without an oracle system is just cold reading, is it not? This is a skill in itself and one that isn't super difficult to develop. Just pay attention to people and feed that information back to them. Alternatively, as others have said, once you understand how the various oracle systems work you can just leave out the physical items and give a reading off what you imagine.
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
I may have misinterpreted the question? But as I understand it, the op is asking for an alternative to oracles for presentation purposes? If that's the question? You might try presenting your readings as an interpretation of body language, psychology or intuition. Face reading or lie detection, might also work for you?
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scathmadre New user 73 Posts |
I once had a reader do "Hershey Bar readings" She took a chocolate bar, slapped it on the table, carefully opened, looked up at me and said, "It looks like someone's going to Brighton Beach!"
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On Sep 5, 2018, MrPoponi wrote: Well, have a look at the Afraican Oracle Collection at the Surnateum. It's only a very small list of what does exist, and only in Africa http://logs.surnateum.com/divination-oracles-africains/ |
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On Sep 22, 2018, kcalB wrote: Yes!!!!!
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Anemoi New user Cambridge, MA 53 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2018, WitchDocChris wrote: I am confused. I thought cold reading was just a reading in which you know nothing about the spec, and using or not using an oracle as an aid is a separate thing? |
ALEXANDRE Inner circle 3024 Posts |
There are many benefits to oracles, one of which is you detach yourself from the results, as in “the cards are suggesting” etc. also the oracles are giving you the reading, you interpret those and fill in the blanks, it’s a psychic crutch of sorts.
I have done readings with oracles and without. Being an oracle yourself means you are open to receive and you’re using your intuition to allow things to come to you as you sit with someone. It’s jazz. It takes more experience. When I use any oracle I also allow for whatever to come through. I don’t let my thinking mind get in the way, it’s intuitive, it’s poetry, it’s symbolic. Mr. Poponi, as I sit here, not really thinking or calculating anything, the image of a car comes to me. And I sense there’s doubt and concern associate with that car, does this make sense? I sense the satisfaction of a great meal you don’t have very often and this was very recent, as recent as last night. There will be many more of those in your future. Even though I get the sense that you are organized, there is something particular going on now that requires you to take things one step at a time, and it seems you might be rushing it. Anyway, just being open to receive and connect. I could go on if you were in front of me. No oracle. Enrique Enriquez is definitely someone to look into. Oh. I just realized this is an old thread. Hopefully Mr Poponi is still around and will respond.
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