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Arthur T Regular user Wales,UK 151 Posts |
When I was younger I would purchase anything magic/mentalism related. For the last 5 years or so I’ve only studied mentalism and it leads me to believe I may be missing out. Out of curiosity has anyone taken any traditional magic themes/plots or props and adjusted them to work within the context of mentalism. I’ve struggled to find a mental theme for my 17 phase ambitious card routine I use to do!(jokes)
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j100taylor Inner circle 1198 Posts |
I find some card moves can be easily adapted to a stack of business cards (as you well know). I use a variety of moves to peek or control a business card.
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Last Laugh Inner circle Grass Valley, California 3498 Posts |
I present only mentalism professionally but I do magic as a hobby and I'm constantly looking at ways to adapt magic stuff.
There are tons of magic principles that can be adapted, I think the key is that in mentalism the moves/gaffs/ etc should be invisible and 'under the surface' so to speak. Stacks of business cards or double blank playing cards are full of possibilities, and some card concepts can be applied to coin envelopes too. Plenty of sleight of hand ideas work with billets or pellets. Card to wallet can be used for predictions instead, etc.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I recall decades ago seeing an old guy perform a self-untying knot in scarf using mental power.
He got the entire audience to add their will and mental powers to getting the reluctant silk end to crawl up and through the knot. This trick normally takes 15 seconds. He milked it for three minutes with the audience cheering at THEIR success. It was like watching a runner crawling over the finish line of a Marathon.
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Arthur T Regular user Wales,UK 151 Posts |
Without making assumptions were the audience taking it as a joke or being serious?
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
At first some were just going along while others seemed to concentrate and 'gather energy" in a variety of ways.
Eventually, everyone wanted to see him succeed and the gestalt effect was very palpable. It became serious when everyone realized the knot would not untie without everyone's cooperation and support. Not sure if later on some thought about it being a trick. The "success through mental effort" was very real. He did not do any "mental based" effects to my knowledge, but was great at judging an audience and selecting volunteers.
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
If you think about it, almost any magic effect can be reframed as PK (psychokinesis, mind over matter). Avoid using obviously magical props, though.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On May 30, 2019, mindmagic wrote: Methinks it depends on the expectations of the audience too. If they already believe in paranormal events and want to see demonstrations that support this belief, most any effect can serve if it is not blatantly a trick. In contrast, an audience desiring and expecting conjuring will "know" you are using trickery even in you are actually paranormal. I have a C&B routine called Fortune Telling Cups and Balls. It tells a story of a fortune teller that used three baskets and colored balls for divination. I use three battered copper cups and colored sponge balls for demonstrations. At the local magic club most found it amusing and "good magic." One man came up and asked if would give him a Reading using those cups, saying, "I can tell you are masking the fact that this really works, and that you are the one with psychic ability."
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Jed Maxwell Regular user 133 Posts |
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On May 29, 2019, funsway wrote: It is the willingness to: - milk an effect to an excruciating degree, building the tension - to portray yourself as faltering and failing in front of an audience, without ego - allow the audience to complete the effect, making it about them ... that turns an effect into something magical, in my opinion. Like others have said, this can be done to a never-ending number of magic tricks. |
kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I think there are certain mentalism-dominant moves which I find odd isn't more widely adapted for magic. I'll give an example.
Through a discussion with someone about that new Profiteer product where it's a mystery box plot but the gimmick sans the actual box. So we talked about a alternative method and gimmick that would replicate the look and feel of Profiteer that he's come up with before Profiteer was ever announced. That got me thinking, he, this looks like a folded billet switch move. Michael Murray has one which was inspired by something he's seen Colin Mcleod do. The move doesn't look like a move at all, looks simply like you're just pushing the billet towards the spectator. Angles are excellent, clean as a whistle, doesn't matter that you're holding out the billet you've switched out because nobody would ever suspect that you're doing a billet switch. So in effect, you could perform Profiteer as shown minus ever needing a gimmick of any sort, you would just do that billet switch. This would be preferable to a paperclip switch as it looks better and more fair. This is more impromptu than a Mystery Box or Profiteer since there are no gimmicks involved. So that is simply one example that's fresh on my mind. I bring it up only to bring up discussion and thought about what technical methodologies from mentalism could actually be used for magic but haven't been simply because most thought goes in the reverse (borrowing from magic to apply to mentalism). I think it's an interesting idea. |
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