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domcoke New user 35 Posts |
Hi guys,
Just got a Coin Unique (UK £1+Penny version), and am very pleased with it indeed... Although, I am somewhat conscious of a modicum of Catholic guilt at having such a great effect in the hands of a novice... However, I know the effects one can produce with this effect are pretty limited, but I wondering whether the more experienced users of the effect had developed more finessed ways of setting it up. To separate the two halves without alerting anyone seems to me to be quite difficult, but to get a truly magical effect, one would want to give the impression that one had taken a pound and a penny from amongst a handful of change, and then done the effect of choice. All this under the nose of a spectator. Anyone come up with a great way to achieve this? My starting point so far, is to use another penny (most of which are magnetic) to lever the other off. This works pretty well, but it can be quite fiddly... Anyway, any help is gratefully welcomed, Ta, Dom. |
Chris "linkster" Watson Special user England 564 Posts |
I used to just wait for an off beat moment to set the gaff up. I guess with trying to set it up in full view would have a few risks of exposing the gaff. Great gaff though the vanish of the coin from a spectators hand always gets great reactions although I tended to do it as a penetration...let them open their hand first so you can make sure the action has happened and then from underneath their palm up hand come out with the penney. The other good one is the coin through glass penetration.
If there is one thing I would recommend about coin unique though is keep it in a safe place, I managed to spend mine |
Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
I have the British pound/penny version, as well as the US half-dollar & quarter version, and I love them both. I address the seperation problem with both sets the same as I address that issue with my magnetic C/S set, and the way you mentioned above. Keep a steel core coin in your pocket with the Coin Unique set at all times. If you put the steel core coin against the "proper" side of the coin unique, you get easy lift and seperation, under the guise of what looks like simply stacking up and straightening out the coins in your hand, or fishing through a bunch of random pocket change, in preperation to show them or place them on the mat. I do a routine where the I assemble and disassemble my magnetic C/S set up to four times, 3 feet from the watching spectator, and have yet to be caught or even suspected of foul play (well, at that moment anyway).
Work out effects that use the steel core coin as well as the C.U. together, or conceal the SC coin, and only use it to seperate the C.U. Also, a steel belt buckle can be extremely helpful Not a big shiny cowboy buckle, just a regular old belt buckle made of steel. All the Best, and enjoy Eddie Gibson's finest creation (IMO) Mike |
domcoke New user 35 Posts |
Thanks both.
Yeah, I need a steel core coin that is a little bigger than the 1p, as it just gets fiddly trying to separate. Perhaps a 10p would be good. Can these be bought? Anyway, also had the belt buckle idea, but thought it might be a bit conspicuous... The ideal for me, as I mentioned above, would be to give the impression that you had routed out a pound coin and a penny from a variety of loose change... and using a 10p to lever off the penny is probably the best way... It really is a great piece of kit, and I think (IMHO) totally inspectable. The particular one I have, and I suspect this might be the case in general, is cut lightly off centre, and so it will only really sit correctly one way (the dots around the edge lining up), but I have worked out the position of this, so I can position the pound on top of the penny in exactly the right position, so when inspected it fools. The great thing about it is that u'd have to look REALLY close to see anything. Another thought I had about this, was that when it was demoed for me in the magic shop, he did it with a glass. I was unimpressed because I knew the gaff, but, it started me thinking about the presentation. If you make the trick so absolutely impossible then this is surely going to raise suspicion about the coin. So I came up with a quick way of utilising it, but still giving the impression that perhaps skill was involved. Positioning as per usual in the right hand palm, and then saying (whilst other hand goes to "grab" the coins from the right hand)"Ok, you have to guess which hand the penny is in". You make it look as if you have done some kind of sleight into the left hand, and offering two fists. Then go through with the revealing the pound in hand, then empty hand, or vice versa. It seems to me that with the glass method particularly, you are asking for people to think, "hmm, must be a trick coin", whereas with some impression that you have performed some magic through a sleight (which also helps to lock them in place), you take the heat off the coin possibly. Hey, I'm a complete novice, but for me, I would be dubious about performing the version where the coins are covered with the glass and hey presto. Just my thoughts, wondered what anyone else thought. I know there's not much one can say about this great effect apart from the obvious, but perhaps it raises a wider question about impossible magic (e.g., I was completely unimpressed when I watched Blaine's coin bite, because it is so obviously a gaff, so where's the skill?!) Ta, Dom. |
Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
Dom:
I worked out a handling for my British £1/penny set that involves the British penny changing into a U.S. penny, and the £1 changing into an U.S. nickel. The premise is a sort of, "I have some coins in my hand, actually they're British coins, a £1 coin and a penny. I like the coins, but since I'm American, and I'm in America (last time I checked), I really feel that I should use American currency for my magic..." The coins are changed in to the US nickel and penny, and then I finish by rematerializing the £1, under the premise of, "Well I have American coins now, but the British £1 is worth so much more that this nickel and penny put together. You know, since the US and Great Britain are allies, It's my patriotic duty to bring that £1 back..." There may be an effect there that makes sense for you, by simply reversing the order or the process? Instead of starting off with foriegn currency that you want to exchange for your native currency, you could start off with British currency and exchange it for US currency, under the premise that, "I'll be traveling to the US in the near future, so I'd better see if my magic works as well with their money..." Or whatever suitable lines you'd like to use. Just a thought for you. Best, Mike |
Chris "linkster" Watson Special user England 564 Posts |
I guess having a ring made of steel may present some interesting opportunities for the effect or indeed a ring with a PK gimmick in.
Dom, You may like to play around with the pinch vanish to start with to give the impression that the pound coin is the coin which goes through the hand, then use the CU to get the penny to penetrate...I'll leave you to work out a handling...drop me a PM if you need any specifics. Chris |
davidtan New user 50 Posts |
Coin Unique is great... a metal tin in your pocket is what I find useful
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Four Jokers Magician New user 36 Posts |
Have you ever tried finger palming the smaller coin under a glass and when you put the two gimmicks in the glass and they unite drop the small coin out of finger palm and like magic the coin magically penitrates through the glass them you just dump the gimmick(one coin) on to the table. its a glass penatration that is almost vissable, by the wat I have the quarter and the half one
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clivealive New user 51 Posts |
The newer UK 2 pence pieces are magnetic i.e. if placed beneath and against the CU you can seperate the coins quite easily.
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
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On 2004-05-20 06:21, WildStone wrote: I got a special one made by Todd Lassen (Hi Todd!): Kennedy Half 1964 & 50-Euro-Cent. THAT's a DREAM..... it needs a bang ring (or the power of hands) For the Eddie Gibson one I use another mag****c coin instead of a steel core coin. Never got caught. But YOU should always be able to do a similar trick using sleight of hand and/or pure misdirection: avoid suspicious thinking ... and then do the impossible!
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paulajayne Inner circle London England 1160 Posts |
Hi
"The newer UK 2 pence pieces are magnetic" Is not correct - they a ferros based (contain iron) and can be affected by a magnet and are not in theselves magnetic. For the 1 pound/penny coin unique simply use a new UK penny to sepperate it. Paula
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
RE: "I got a special one made by Todd Lassen"
Bernd, I thought about doing the same thing when I couldn't find the US version anywhere. Having the UK version was good, but not as easily integrated into my normal type of routines (it stuck out like a sore thumb as being "funny"... a person told me after I used it) Luckily (for my wallet), someone here at the Café had one for sale. I use it all the time at the bar (especially on nights that I'm tired or feeling a little lazy, or if I'm caught unprepared). Mike |
Four Jokers Magician New user 36 Posts |
Mark Mason from england makes an amazing one, my eyes almost popped out of my head when I saw him demo it at the "Mawny" convention in botavia new york.
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