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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On Jan 25, 2021, Claudio wrote: Indeed it wasn't about economics. It was, in most instances, primarily about Immigration. I'm not saying that all Brexiteers are Racists - BUT I've yet to meet a Racist who didn't vote to leave (and I know quite a few unfortunately).
Barry Allen
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Thomas Walter Special user Well, it is strange that at my age, I certanly should have more than 527 Posts |
Well, after all the general Brexit discussions, let us go back to the question how UK:s choice to leave the EU will influence and actually effect us consumers that live in countries in the European Union.
I live in Sweden. All my life, a considarably long time, most of my magic purhases have been from The UK. Supreme Magic in Bideford, Harry Stanley, Ken Brook, Davenports, Roy Roth, Ron Mcmillan etc. etc. and now in later days Propdog and Alakazam, just to name a few!! But, now Brexit struck! Let's take an example from Alakazam, a long time trusted dealer. Their prices are still incl. 20% UK VAT. No reduction for EU citizens!? So if I order from Alacazam, I have to pay Swedish VAT, 25%. And on top of that, a handling fee to the Swedish Post/Customs is added, SEK75 about $9 or £6,50. If I now order from Alakazam for, say £30 it will cost me £30 plus £7,50 plus £6,50, total £44! Double VAT and £14 extra! Now an example from Propdog, another of my favourite magic shops. Dave has taken UK VAT off the Prices for EU customers, so in our £30 example this is tre result: £30 before UK 20% VAT added is (actually counted backwards) £25. Swedish 25% VAT makes 6.25, total £31,25. And plus the Swedish handling fee of £6,50, so Prpdog total will be £37,75 OK, single VAT, but still £7,50 more! And this is not enough! Before Brexit, all orders from UK dealers, the above mentioned, and Saturn, Magic World, Liam Montier etc, used to take about a week to arrive. Now, PostNord, our Swedish Post, a private, and profit focused company, without service at all, takes up to three weeks (yes, that is unfortunately correct) to handle the VAT and customs matters, thanks to Brexit! Oh, almost forgot, had to make an edit: If someone working with the Swedish Post consider that the sender made an error filling in the customs label, they, without informing the recepiant, just return it to the sender!! So, this is why we EU magicians, perhabs have to say goodby to our trusted UK Magic Dealer friends! Thanks Brexiters! |
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Lithingorf New user Vilnius, Lithuania 56 Posts |
Dear Thomas,
Thanks for summarizing the situation very clearly. BREXIT is the British people's wish/choice, and we have to respect it. But this wish has some consequence: UK retailers are no longer appealing to EU customers. Some will keep loyal to their favorite dealer and pay more, but those who do not have close ties will search for the new one. As most magic distributions come through one source, Murphys Magic Supplies, it should be no considerable price variations in shops located in countries with similar economic power, so most EU shops should easily beat the price. But where are they? That was my original question. I am eager to become a loyal customer for some German, Sweden, French, Spain, Poland, or other EU country-based shop. I have already got some recommendations from you and will look into that, but other suggestions are welcome! Dominic. |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On Jan 31, 2021, Lithingorf wrote: Hi Dominic, Just to correct this often (incorrectly) used phrase. Brexit was the wish/choice of SOME of the British people. In the main, it was primarily about immigration. Looking at the demographics of (often racist) Leave voters, many of the 52% were of a certain age; nearly 5 years down the line, hundreds of thousands of these are now worm-food; so the obvious failings of Brexit doesn't even affect them. As for the remainder, it's already evident that British companies who export are really suffering. Many are already on the point of going bankrupt. The Brexiteers (or 'Gammons' as they are often referred to - as they turn a Porky shade of dark pink when annoyed) continue to blame all failings on the EU.
Barry Allen
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Lithingorf New user Vilnius, Lithuania 56 Posts |
Dear Merc,
I understand your point but do not forget that this was a democratic vote. It would be much worse if >50 % would vote for Brexit, but the losing side would find a way to nullify the results blaming stupidity, racism, or age. Maybe democracy is not the best system, but no one has invented a better one. So you (and we) will have to live on, accept what happened, do not be angry with one another, and let the future historians decide was it a good choice or not |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On Feb 1, 2021, Lithingorf wrote: It wasn't a democratic vote at all. Vote Leave broke UK Electoral Law - Fact. Therefore, the result should have been declared void. From your profile, you do not appear live in the UK. Let me assure you that the majority of Brexiteers that I have spoken to over the last 4-5 years supported Brexit for one reason - because they are admittedly racist; and wanted to stop immigration. Finally, I don't think we need to wait for 'future historians' to decide whether Brexit was a good choice or not - clearly you do not read the UK Media; because you could draw your own conclusions already from what the bodies representing British Industry are saying. Indeed, this very thread is an example of how well things are going. In fact, it's going so well, that last week, UK businesses were being advised to set up bases in Europe (many have already done so, leading to British job losses). Meanwhile, the British Fishing Industry is going so well that the UK Govt. have set aside an initial £23 Million to compensate them for losses in January. Wait for 'future historians' to tell us.....really?
Barry Allen
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ramfield New user Belgium 3 Posts |
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On Jan 25, 2021, gillesA4 wrote: Do you know good shops in Brussels ( or belgium for that matter ) ? |
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gillesA4 Special user Brussels, Belgium 593 Posts |
Easy, as there is only one shop in Brussels! Hurry up as Thierry will move to Nice in about one month!
AT Magic 45 rue Van Artevelde B-1000
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. (A. Einstein)
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Rebis New user Verona, Italy 54 Posts |
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
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ramfield New user Belgium 3 Posts |
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On Apr 28, 2021, gillesA4 wrote: Thanks alot! I'm heading there this week for sure Is there any other shop in Belgium that you know of? |
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Mik-Kado New user Antwerp, Belgium 31 Posts |
In Holland, Venlo, nearby the border with Germany, there's also a great magic shop.
https://www.dynamitemagic.nl/en/ In Belgium also one (only in Dutch) https://abracadabra.be/
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I have bought many things from https://www.pegani.dk/da/ and https://tesmarzauberartikel.de/en
Both are excellent shops ! I recommend them, tesmarsauberartikel has more items and is always up to date for new releases. Pegani on the other hand has some rare items that you can’t find in other shops. I live in Europe and my purchases are only from these shops . I loved Penguin and propdog but not anymore because of taxes. |
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Pedrovincent New user 25 Posts |
As Kejllstrom already mentioned, I would recommend the danish shop Pegani.dk. Gycklaren.se is also nice for buying larger packs with cards, but other products can be a bit pricey. If what you purchase is mostly cards, I would not look away from Card-Shark's online shop. They already have what I consider to be the best all-around deck for card magic (Phoenix deck) and you'll hardly find it cheaper elsewhere.
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Andrew Lewis New user 52 Posts |
Marchand des Trucs in France, Magicus and Seleciones Magicas in Barcelona. All three are great.
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