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icicular New user USA 75 Posts |
Although I'm a beginner, I can confidently state that I will always be amazed by the tv special, "Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants". It just creeps me out. UNBELIEVEABLE. Seeing that video made me want to learn magic.
A lot of fellows nowadays have a B.A., M.D., or Ph.D. Unfortunately, they don't have a J.O.B. - Fats Domino
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Tom James Regular user Cincinnati, Ohio 139 Posts |
Seeing a magician flash on Tv is I belive a screw up on his part. If you saw how the trick was done so did a few other people. I have watched all of the masked dork shows, and have had people come up to me and say I know how you did that I saw it on TV. I tell them what they saw on TV was about a very little bit of what I know and what other magicians know. Look at it as a learning experiance not a bad thing. That way when you do your first TV special you will make sure that every angle is covered so you do not flash.
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
The "ASTONISHMENT" feeling will partially be taken away but it will be replaced by another feeling. You'll soon think
"wait! I have a better method on performing that!" and when you execute it your audiences will be am,amazed. The "ASTONISHMNENT" part for a magician does not come from the feeling you get while watching the tricks but it comes from the feeling you get when you see your audience amazed and happy of your magic. |
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Vincz New user 59 Posts |
Sometimes I just sit back, forget about thinking how is it done, just enjoy the magic~ I still love watching magic shows and sometimes I will be fool to because there is still a lot of magic out there that I don't know or unaware of.
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
Just enjoy the magic. Appreciate the art and you'll be entertained.
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CamelotFX Special user Minnesota 596 Posts |
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On 2004-06-21 23:44, BerkleyJL wrote: Great comment, Berkley! It's the thing that keeps me hanging around the magic community. I don't know how he/she did that, but if I was to do it, how would I do it? It isn't an exam and there's no "correct" answer. If that were the case, then all art and science would disappear. When reconstructive surgery first became practical (the patients survived) doctors started memorizing and repeating the methods. That's not how arts and sciences advance. When Dr. Paul Tessier arrived on the scene with a team of twelve specialists and a computer scientist and began disassembling and reassembling entire skulls to produce miraculously successful results, the medical community was in awe! It's the approach that steps outside the box, pushes the envelope and breaks new ground that gets the attention of the professionals. Your "method" might become the new standard for awhile. But there is no "single" way to produce any effect, or I'd go back to reading Blackstone and become bored with my own art. Omni Magazine did a feature on James Randi ("The Amazing") back in the 70's. They made a big issue of Randi's $10,000 challenge (big money then) to anyone who could produce "an effect that could not be duplicated by technical means." Full of beans, I wrote a letter to Omni offering The Amazing Randi $10,000 to describe an effect that could NOT be duplicated by technical means. "Even the ace of spades" I pontificated in my youthful exuberance, "is technically differentiated from the ten because it's lighter." Omni published my letter along with a reply from James Randi (you can look it up) that set me back in place. Randi calmly pointed out that variations in ink batches, press weight and cutter blade wear at playing card manufacturing firms were sufficient to make my argument silly and that he stood firm. I was taken aback for awhile, then over the years established a goal: "Try to fool the foolers." It's a good goal. Bless you if you ever make it to the Magic Castle and get a standing "O." That has to be as good as it gets and I'll be on my feet, you betcha! |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
The real magic is not found or spotted on the trick alone , but the meaning and the effect of the trick that makes it magical. The moves that we spot only allows the performer to do the work, the psychology and drama gives reason for the moves to take place.
I seem to appreciate magic more as the years go by and as my knowledge in it increases.
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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TheCaffeinator Regular user Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada 126 Posts |
>> Knowing magic = losing fun?
For me, that's definitely not true. But I don't think it's necessarily the case for everyone. I'm a former English Lit. & Rhetoric professor and sometimes get asked if studying literary criticsm has interfered at all with my enjoyment of leisure reading. Generally speaking, the answer is, "No." If I think a book sucks or doesn't suck, knowing literary critism will give me the ability to explain in a more complex way why the book sucked or didn't, but it won't have any impact on my opinion of the book. As well, it helps if you can cultivate the ability to turn the "knowledgable" side of your brain off when you're reading for pleasure. This assumes, though, that you don't necessarily get any pleasure from knowing or using the technical knowledge. For me, this is not the case; I find studying and analyzing literature to be at least as enjoyable as leisure reading. The idea of "suspension of disbelief" is also applicable here in a way. Remeber the tagline for the first Chris Reeves "Superman" movie...? "You'll believe a man can fly!" Even if you KNOW that a man can't fly, suspension of disbelief allows you to set aside that "fact" and believe the truths that the movie -- or book or graphic novel or play or magical performance -- wants you to believe. Part of suspension of disbelief is contributed by the reader, that part being simply how easily it is for you to step outside of your reality and into another one; however, part of it also comes from the craftsmanship of the writer -- or film-maker or actor or magician. In my present career, I am a software developer specializing in web development. Building web applications is comparable to magic in that there is an interface that is experienced by the end user (the performance) and a potentially vast and complex body of code known to the programmer (the secrets known by the performer). Knowing how to code doesn't necessarily prevent a programmer from appreciating a piece of software. In the case of the web, it's fairly easy for someone, whether they be a programmer or user--to expose the underlying markup and "see how it's done." However, only a knowledgeable programmer would really be able to understand a given block of code and be able to talk about how extensible it is or whether it could have been done better or if it will work in other browsers; the typical user might be able to see the "secret code" and even read it out loud but not necessarily understand it at all. With other types of software, such as desktop applications or operating systems (or server-side code for generating web pages), the secret code is hidden from someone experiencing just the inteface, even a programmer. You can only guess at how it's really being done, but the interface might provide some indication of what's underneath and enable some stabs at criticism and suggested improvements ("I would have put that button over here, not over there..."). As magicians, we have the ability to view the surface as well as what lies beneath. How close to the surface you stay or how deep you choose to dive is ultimately up to you. |
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Ryan 101 Regular user Hawaii 164 Posts |
There will awalys be some magic that amazes you.
Ryan |
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atrudo Regular user New Hampshire 190 Posts |
Watching the flicking fingers DVD and seeing how much fun it is to be a layman, I don't think I will ever look at them the same way again.
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hukka New user 12 Posts |
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On 2004-06-22 20:23, Dougini wrote: Back in the Café after a while, and I have to say thank you for your various and excellent views on my "problem". I especially appreciated the Doug's answer quoted above. Lately I've been watching some free magic videos on the net just for the effect. It's always a nice show.
Anyone can lose a card, but it takes more to find it.
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