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martysh Special user Greenville,SC 522 Posts |
Hey I am looking for a special set .. you guys probably already know where and what it is
needed expanded chinese shell ...regular chinese shell that fits inside expanded shell and two sided coin one silver side and the other matches chinese shells... this is abit like sun and moon I know.. any idea if there is a set or I can get components? thanks in advance Marty |
tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
I can't say I recognize that set, no. Maybe I'm missing some reference?
I'm also surprised that you want a Chinese shell (which would again make it impossible to look at the hole) rather than a silver shell which would make it more like a sun/moon in my mind. I don't know of anything like that you could buy off the shelf. But it should be straightforwrard to get all the parts yourself - it's just a Chinatown coin plus an expanded shell in either Chinese or silver, and maybe some extras to match. Most manufacturers that sell Chinese coins will offer a shell + extra coins (often the shell will come with a coin), so it's really about finding a Chinese coin that you like as a Chinatown half. What sizes and coins are you looking for? I know Tango offers one in both half dollar and dollar, but for clad coins (and I'm not personally a huge fan of their Chinese coin style). Johnson used to offer them, but no longer manufactures magic items, so might be harder to find, especially since you want a matching shell. I also recall Oliver is currently making something like this in dollar size with Chinese coins and replica Morgans, much like this: https://tomladshawmagic.com/Hopping-Half......ese-Coin but it comes with some caveats: - Oliver is known for taking ideas and making things without royalties or credit. Your call if you want to support that. - There have been previous discussions about their replica Morgans not being realistic looking. Here's one such thread: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......&start=0 - I don't know if the shell has a post or not, and I'm not sure if that impacts your decision. - While at first blush this set seems like it might contain everything you want in one go, I don't have it, so I cannot promise the two nests will have shells of the same sizes and thus I'm not certain if they'll all fit the way you want. - There's also a "Wild Chinese Silver" set, but I don't recall at the moment what's in it so can't compare. I think it doesn't have the shells you want. Or, you can always go custom, it's a straightforward set, so probably isn't overly complicated to make. |
karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
It sounds like he also wants an unexpanded Chinese shell which will fit within the expanded Chinese shell.
So does the Chinatown coin he additionally wants need to be reduced in diameter to fit within the unexpanded shell? I assume so, since he says it’s reminiscent of a Sun & Moon set. If so, then for an expanded Chinese shell, plus an unexpanded Chinese shell, plus a cut-down (and also suitably thinner) Chinatown coin to fit within the unexpanded shell, it seems like custom is the only way to go. (If English pennies were an acceptable substitute for the Chinese coins, then a standard Hopping Half set would provide everything he’s asking for. Essentially what he wants is a Chinese version of Hopping Half.)
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martysh Special user Greenville,SC 522 Posts |
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Wow you blew me away with your response... much much appreciated....Have really considered almost all of your ideas.... I have oliver coins and adpated them to something else quite easily lately.... where I am at .. I broke up the expensive multi shell set from Tango in half dollars and took one of Johnny wong's stickers on a regular half dollar to practice with...twop problems both manageable ... the smaller shell isn't the tightes fit in the expanded shell.. and the chinesse coin or the paper decal I cut down to fit the coin doesn't look the greatest but is in sight for a short time so no big deal there either... I reversed the set showing silver coins and not chinese coins and in this I think it lascks a bit. I already looked up custom work and see that my two favorite guys aren't really hawking expanded chineses though I know they can do it ... here's what I am studying... Eric Stevens in his notes and at the table lecture has a wonderful visual well well misdirected routing called Tribloon in chinese coins he found. The rootine is so visual its almost exciting. he opens and closes with using his glasses as a misdirrction whick I am working around without such but the routine is really strong and almost easy. if I get more excited I might look to having it made but right now I look to the quest of two nesting shells and double face coin to match ... no ruch here but your suggestions are a great help., thank you thank you thank you. Marty |
tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Karnak: Ah, thanks. I'd totally missed the double (nested) shell request there in the mention of the Sun/Moon coin. So the original is to have a reduce Chinatown half, then the others.
In that case, it could also be an option to do what I suggested and get a super-expanded shell, but I don't know of many manufacturers that make a super expanded Chinese shell, nor a reduced Chinatown half, so it becomes trickier. Marty: Glad it was useful! I don't know the sizes of the Chinese Hopping halves that I suggested, but in that case the triple nest is the silver, not the Chinese coins. I Can't say if the Chinatown half in it is going to be reduced or regular sized, but it means that the Chinese shell in that set (with a matching regular Chinese coin) would either fit, but then you need an super expanded, or you'd need an unexpanded shell shell. If you're willing to spend a little more you could buy one of their Triad sets as well, and hope that the Chinatown half is the right size to fit. https://www.topsmagic.com/product_info.p......-p-70719 (Caveat: I've not used this seller before, so I can't vouch for them.) Alternatively, you could just get the Triad set (I think available in both dollar and half dollar size) and use a sticker for the silver side, though it wouldn't look (i.e. reflect) as nice as real metal. I also know there are some full-Chinese hopping half sets (usually in red/black; let me know if you need links) by Oliver, N2G, Mark Mason, and some other smaller brands - which would also let you use a silver sticker, or just have a 2-colored Chinese coin set for a similar kind of routine. I also took a quick look at the ATT lecture. It's a nice routine, but I don't (personally) think benefits from being a Chinese coin over any other. As far as I can tell from the trailer, his coins are all solid (ho hole, including the shell), which means it's just about two high-contrast coins. At that point, you could also use a DFSTC (or any equivalent) as an alternative method rather than needing shells. Yes, I know there are slight handling differences, but they're also much easier to source. I also could be wrong, I don't have the lecture itself nor have I seen his explanation. Let us know what you end up going with! |
martysh Special user Greenville,SC 522 Posts |
Thanks again guys... will still chase this .. the idea of switching out as opposed to two shells piques my interest too... that is why I neeeded another perspective...thanks for looking at the routine maybe you can get a sense of my excitement here.
' thanks again guys much much appreciated Marty |
tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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. the idea of switching out as opposed to two shells piques my interest too. I'm not sure what you're suggesting. I was suggesting not using shells at all, but a triple split coin. there's no "switching out". Quote:
.thanks for looking at the routine maybe you can get a sense of my excitement here. Do you want my honest opinion? It was nice, but nothing revolutionary that I hadn't seen done very similarly before. There was nothing special about the type of coin, nor were any additional properties used. It could have been Centavos, English Pennies, or Euros, and the routine would have been identical. I wish a little more had happened instead of just three appearances one change, and then three disappearances. Nor was there any story or meaning to motivate anything, it was just visual. (That last one is a personal preference I've had of late; I like patter that's more than just "it appears then it disappears".) It looked virtually identical to the Triad coins routine (https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/close-up-magic/triad-coins/) and you could do it with half of any Hopping Half set if you didn't care about the Chinese bit. So sure, it was fine, just not something I'd bend over backwards for. But I'm not the one that matters - you are. So if you're excited by it, then you should go for it. Just be willing to accept what needs to be fixed and what's flexible. |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
RBG by N2G sounds like what you're looking for but there's no silver side. The inner coin is black/green, first shell over that is red, then another black shell on top, so the full nest looks like an all black coin.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
At that point you might as well get their HCC set for the extra shells/coins, unless the third color is desirable.
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martysh Special user Greenville,SC 522 Posts |
Thanks again guys.... much appreciated...will look into the N@G coins I just got my first set from them yesterday its the stretching coins ..really cool well made ... so I will look into those sets for the second time now..
to explain myself and I like and need the criticism... I am looking for some quick visual pieces with strong strong misdirection..am gearing up for a big street event all day on our main street in Greenville and I want a lot of quick stuff to catch the passers by... I so much overuse my 3cm sets from Jaime Schoolcraft... that I needed a little departure and this is it... I have it down inverse set or not .. oh and one other confession no one in the world knows... I am going through and absolute obsession with Chinese coins... have multiple routines now and wanted this to augment... I don't know what happenned to me but I am doing marvelous things with these coins with a hole in it... it all started 18 years ago when on the first date I showed my now wife of 17 years charming chinese Challenge I guess it is the most expensive set I ever bought I am still paying for it ...still married.... am working on Mario Lopez challenge ... yu huilong (sp) his coins off... tcc's many holes in many coins and more... I think my obsession caught me when I watched Eric Stevens do this quick piece...so I am content and staying with this trubloon thing. if I ever get the right coins that fit tight I will let you know.... as always I am glad to help anyone on anything... I have only been in magic for uh 59 years!!! Marty |
tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
I must be missing something. You love your 3CM and want some variety ... but this set you're talking about is essentially still a 3CM set, just without the magnetics, which are already fairly light. Yes, I understand that they're now Chinese coins instead of Kennedies (probably) and that one of the coins is a C/S, but the shape of the routines - movements, transfers, etc. will be almost the same. How is that a significant change?
CCC is meaningfully different. So is CSB or other wild-coin routines - which I realize you can do some of with the set you're looking at - but Tribloon is virtually identical to any other 3-coin appearance/disappearance, and it doesn't even require the slightly different handling that using an OxF or STC would. Of course, far be it for me to tell you what you should or shouldn't be interested or work on. But if you like Chinese coins and want to use those more, I'd buy some sets that are a more different. N2G has a whole bunch that are other types of plots. https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/money-magic/cstc/ would be a useful general-purpose set, as would RBG. N8 is a moving hole plot, and N7 is an anniversary waltz. They also have a S&S equivalent, though I forget the number right now. You could even use their Hopping Half set to introduce the other colors in an appearance, and then transition to the other effects, or vice-versa. |
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