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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts	Posted: Jul 24, 2004 02:59 pm 0 Quote: On 2004-07-14 12:23, Firedice27 wrote: I once had a lady at a carnival tell me that it was "shameful" that I had forsaken my soul so easily. I was like, "Lady! Relax! It's a frigging card trick!" Oh, well. I wonder if it was the same woman I ran into on a bus once? I was doing a few things for people and this lady asked me where I got that stuff. I admitted there was a place in New York where I went to buy tricks and she said; "Interesting. There's a place in New York where you can sell your soul?" (Well, probably. But not Tannen's!) I replied; "If I were going to sell my soul, don't you think I'd ask for more than the ability to do card tricks?" Quote: On 2004-07-15 12:33, cpatchett wrote: There is magic (illusions) and then there is magik (Wicca/Paganism/Witchcraft). Most people against magic associate the two as one and the same. The Bible does speak out against magik but not against magic. (Unless you're using it to deceive people or start your own religion!) The problem is, the Bible speaks out against "magicians" in general and doesn't differenciate (sp) between frauds and entertainers. (To be fair, there may not have been that much of a difference back then!) Quote: On 2004-07-16 23:23, Peter Marucci wrote: Frank Starsini writes: "Lots of ultra-religious will turn away or RUN if they see a deck of cards." Lots of non-religious people will run is they see a deck of cards, too -- if they're smart! LOL! "Do you like card tricks?" He asked. I said no. He did five. "...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts	Posted: Jul 24, 2004 03:04 pm 0 Do TTs care whether used for bizarre or gospel magic? Do the silk handkerchiefs know the message of a routine? Where is the evil in a Ghost count? ...to all the coins I've dropped here
ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts	Posted: Jul 28, 2004 01:22 pm 0 Another problem is that, to the fundies, any display of magic is controlling nature, which is God's forte. "...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts	Posted: Jul 28, 2004 01:45 pm 0 Flipping a light switch, making a room full of light thanks to a hi-tech glass bulb and wires in the walls is less controlling of nature? Or the automobile? Or Pasteurization? Or .... even the internet. Imagine being able to know what someone on the other side of the planet wants to tell you in just a few clicks and a couple of seconds. I'm impressed with the extent of our ability to create our functional enviromnent. ...to all the coins I've dropped here
JimMaloney Inner circle 1184 Posts	Posted: Jul 28, 2004 01:52 pm 0 Quote: On 2004-07-24 11:03, mandrake01 wrote: "Do you like card tricks?" He asked. I said no. He did five. The actual quote is: "Do you like card tricks?" "No, I hate card tricks," I answered. "Well, I'll just show you this one." He showed me three. --Somerset Maugham, "Mr. Know-All" -Jim Books and Magazines for sale -- more than 200 items (Last updated January 17th, 2014. Link goes to public Google Doc.)
Dr_Stephen_Midnight Inner circle SW Ohio, USA 1555 Posts	Posted: Jul 28, 2004 03:57 pm 0 Years ago a friend and mentor of mine, Wm. H. Brewe, was doing a public show and an old woman came to him afterward, wagging a finger and scowling. "You serve the Devil!" she declared. Bill, straightening with a look of indignance, responded, "Madame, how can I possibly serve myself?!?" Another observation: It's amazing how some people will not let their children read Harry Potter novels, yet if you peer at the nursery bookshelves, there are the volumes of FAIRY TALES. No wizards, witches, fairies, gnomes, magickal atrifacts or djinns there...ahem! Steve Dr. Lao: "Do you know what wisdom is?" Mike: "No." Dr. Lao: "Wise answer."
ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts	Posted: Jul 29, 2004 01:08 pm 0 Quote: On 2004-07-28 09:45, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Flipping a light switch, making a room full of light thanks to a hi-tech glass bulb and wires in the walls is less controlling of nature? Or the automobile? Or Pasteurization? Or .... even the internet. Imagine being able to know what someone on the other side of the planet wants to tell you in just a few clicks and a couple of seconds. I'm impressed with the extent of our ability to create our functional enviromnent. I never said they were consistent in their arguments! Seriously, perhaps I should have said; "supernatural control." Electricity, computers, et al are technological manifistations and not part of the argument. Magic, by its nature, pretends to present a supernatural control over nature. And that, for some weird reason, pushes their button. "...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts	Posted: Jul 29, 2004 01:49 pm 0 Does ANYONE claim to understand the natural forces? Can anyone summon and control any of the natural forces? IMHO we just take them for granted... and pehaps they are being patient with us... for now. ...to all the coins I've dropped here
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