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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts |
In March 2004, I resumed magic after having it as a High School hobby a ½ century ago. Now, almost ½ year later, and having concentrated mainly on coins (Roth and Bobo), a break to cards might be invigorating. A few weeks ago I started with Oz Pearlman’s ‘Born to Perform Card Magic,’ which is really fun. I have Hugard and Braue's book 'Expert Card Technique' and may get Ammar’s DVDs next.
My question is whether I should use the standard poker-sized Bicycle cards or maybe get the bridge size which will be easier to palm? My hands are big enough to hide the poker size IF they are well positioned. All opinions welcomed. Thanks, ehands.
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
I see you're new here on the Café, you could try using the search function and search for words like "bridge, poker, size, cards" etc. It's a big help!
But most folks here will recommend poker cards as they're more common in this part of the world. If you're doing "manipulations" you may wish to use smaller cards.
tjo'
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Steven Steele Chief of Staff 1868 Posts |
I asked the same question when I was first learning. The advice given to me was to learn using poker sized cards. Once you learn to use these moving to bridge sized cards is easy. Moving the other may result if loss of confidence.
As to which one is better for palming actually makes no difference. And it isn't related to hand size either. It's strictly a function of your ability to misdirect. Many magicians successfully palm cards with them sticking out. In fact, there are some who have palmed jumbo cards in their acts.
Coram Deo
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Sk8rDave Regular user California 189 Posts |
Of course, there is a secondary consideration. Bridge size cards have the correct proportion of sides to be considered a "golden rectangle" making all math tricks that much cooler
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el toro Veteran user Across the atlantic 325 Posts |
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On 2004-08-05 21:18, Sk8rDave wrote: Yeah, right. That must take math tricks to a new level. |
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Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
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On 2004-08-05 21:18, Sk8rDave wrote: But since the sides do not have exactly the golden ratio the true mathematician would rather be bothered by this imperfection and choose the poker size cards instead |
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Shane Wiker Inner circle Las Vegas 1199 Posts |
If you have VERY small hands, you can use bridge size, but usually, it's a good idea to practice with poker size. I've been doing magic since I was 10, and had very small hands, but I've always used poker size.
Shan Wiker |
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vago Regular user Israel 116 Posts |
In my area of the world we use bridge size cards BUT still in performance I use poker size since they are better in quality then the common bridge size.
'till now, only one spectator asked about the card size. I pracrice with 3 types of decks. 1. poker tally-ho's 2. bridge - 100% plastic 3. bridge - local brand junk. This gives me the ability to handle impromptu deck with ease. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I am a poker player and I have never seen poker played with the wider size cards so I am getting a bit confussed here.
Are you boys saying poker cards are about a 1/4 " wider than bridge cards? If so why do poker players not use them?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Shane Wiker Inner circle Las Vegas 1199 Posts |
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On 2004-08-06 03:12, tommy wrote: They do. I don't know who you have played with but I have never seen a game played with anything but poker sized cards. Shane Wiker |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Well I have only played for about 40 years and two former world champions play at a game that I run.
To be fair I have only played in the U.K and France it must be otherwise in the USA. Here is a site selling cards and a quote from them, it is a USA site. http://www.thepokershop.com/specialcards.htm Yes, Las Vegas Poker Rooms Use Bridge Size!
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonatan B Veteran user Gothenburg, Sweden 342 Posts |
Ok...Standard size in Europe is Bridge (I know because I live here).
Standard size in U.S.A. is Poker Size (I know because I used to live there ;-D) The other five continents...I don't know, but I prefer Poker Size.
Jonatan Bank
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
http://www.thepokershop.com/1cardfaces.htm
All I can tell you is that pro poker players all over the world use 2 1/4 inch wide cards no matter what they are called. It is a tradition in Las Vegas says the link above. That is not to say Shane is wrong, perhaps the 2 1/2 inch cards are used across the USA in home games and places other than Vegas card rooms. It is confussing. Back to the point. I find the wide card more difficult to grip maybe because I am always handling the 2 1/4 inch ones.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Chris Thibault Elite user Massachusetts 469 Posts |
In the games of poker I've played in casino's in Las Vegas they used poker size cards.
-Chris
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TheCaffeinator Regular user Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada 126 Posts |
Whenever I see this topic come up (and I've seen it many times), I'm always surprised when someone insists that poker-sized cards are more common than bridge sized cards in North America and are the "standard" rather than the exception. I can see the possibility of this being true if you're limiting the scope of the comment to what you will see if you walk into a casino or observe a professional card game. But as far as what the average layman is used to seeing and handling, I've seen nothing to convince me that poker size is the standard.
When I look at the racks of cards in a shopping center or drug store, I see far more different types of bridge-sized cards than poker sized cards. Whenever I find myself playing cards at someone's house, they pull out a bridge sized deck, usually with puppies or trains or a flag or a beer can or something on the back. I was born and raised in the US and stayed there for 22 years; I've lived in various parts of Canada for the last 18 years. I've seen bridge decks sold to and used by laymen far more frequently than poker sized cards. Personally, I think the commonality of poker sized cards is an urban myth among magicians that we use, among other more valid reasons, to justify our own bias toward those kinds of cards. Now, as to what you "should use"...IMHO, the first principle in many aspects of life and magic is "whatever works for you." Don't take the "real magicians don't use bridge cards" thing too seriously. The choice of deck you use can be just as personal as the type of card control and shuffling technique you prefer. Having said that, though, practicing with poker cards puts you in a position to be able to perform with either bridge or poker sized cards if you find yourself handed a deck and asked to do something. Knowing the feel of poker cards prevents you from feeling awkward or uncomfortable with such a deck in your hands. I used bridge size decks for many, many years. I switched to poker size primarily because my favorite gaffs and gimmicks are no longer manufactured in bridge size. No other reason, really. |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
The advantage of practicing and for that matter , getting used to poker sized decks is , almost every house hold has one. If you do formal shows then I think the size is really immaterial. The great Jerry Andrus uses bridge sized cards. If you plan to do impromptu, I suggest you practice using poker sized cards. Chances are , people will be handing you one .
Peace! Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
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RazzleDazzle Regular user Minnesota 107 Posts |
IF you can learn to work with a poker sized deck, you will have little problem with the smaller bridge version. It may not be true vice versa...
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
It doesn't matter.
As Charlie Miller used to say, "Go to the steps of the public library, and stop people there and ask them." Seriously, it doesn't matter at all in the eyes of the spectator. Jerry Andrus uses bridge-size cards and he has NEVER been criticized for it by any of his audiences. :bikes: Size does not matter!
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Hoelderlin Regular user Turin, italy 112 Posts |
I'v never seen a pro with a bridge-size deck; moreover, if you can do techniques with poker size, you'll be able to do them even with bridge size; if you are accustomed to bridge size, the opposite will be hard.
Hölderlin (Massimo Manca) - Circolo Amici della Magia - Turin - Italy.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Especially in cup and ball final loads.
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