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voodoo Regular user Indonesia 163 Posts |
In my country most believe in "magick", and some of the people take advantage of others. They make money by become a paranormal. They do the medication, visiting spooky places and telling what he saw, even testing someone guts by staying in a spooky place and all of it is fake, all of them. And right now every TV station here are using them for a show because the ratings are so high. I don't like them because of the way they use people. (a lot different than a magician)
My problem is, my routine always has fewer props such as psycokinetic touch, muscle reading, reading people (cold reading) and etc. People think that I'm one of the(paranormal) no mater how hard I try to explained to them that I'm different. (maybe some of you think that this situation supposed make my job more easier, trust me it's not) Should I follow the flow (cause I try hard enough to explain) or keep trying to be different..? I'd appriciate it if you could give me a suggestion Thanks!
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tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
Do not follow the flow but be careful where you tread. If you begin to enter into the area of exposure, you might find your self in a nasty environment. They might be frauds but you are messing with their livelyhood & religion in many cases.
Simply state "that what I do anyone can do. I claim no supernatural abilities and all effects are done for entertainment only". Additionally, you may want to add that "I present these effects so that the next time you see something done you can use your own intelligence to determine if it is a trick or real." |
Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
Sometimes, people will believe what they choose to believe no matter what you tell them. Houdini always stressed that his escapes were acheived out of pure skill, concentration and perseverence, but there were still a multitude of rumors being perpetuated about him that suggested that he was actually "dematerializing" out of the chains and shackles. They felt the need to take something as straight-forward as a guy struggling out of physical bonds and turn it into something Paranormal.
I would advise you to stick to your guns and present it the way you know you can sleep with at night. Don't take the road most traveled, doing that will be cheating yourself even more than it will be cheating your audience. |
voodoo Regular user Indonesia 163 Posts |
Yes, I agree with that. Believe it or not I always use almost the same statement that you gave me. I say it after I finished my show and I keep saying it until now, but it didn't help me much cause our cultural is so close with the mistic & supernatural.
The other problem is that I'm the only bizarrist in my country. I'm glad that I joined this forum. It cross my mind once, like the oscamp razor principles, no mater how hard I try to explained, they took the easy way for their belief. Thanks firedice27!
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
Just out of curiosity, what country are you in?
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voodoo Regular user Indonesia 163 Posts |
I'm from Indonesia.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I have a very strong feeling that if you try to put these fellows out of business, you may incur some very heavy wrath.
Occam's razor or not, they may have large machetes. Logic and reason will not defeat ignorance led by a group of money-grubbers.
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Moonlit Knight Regular user U.S. 113 Posts |
Believers in the paranormal can be a strange people. Anyone who performs bizarre magic for a while will come into contact with them. The standard response by the magic community is to give a disclaimer (this is what you have also been advised to do, via tboehnlein’s post). However, disclaimers do not work with people who believe (noted in the thoughts offered by Firedice27). Believers will simply continue to believe, thinking you are hiding your true powers. Exposure will do the same. Neither one will put an end to the believers perception.
The message of the debunkers, I think, will never be accepted by the true believers. The problem with many debunkers is that they wish to destroy the possibility of impossibilities instead or re-directing the focus of the belief. In the words of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - “Superstition is rooted in a much deeper and more sensitive layer of the psyche then skepticism.” So, What can you do - follow the flow or fight against it? It may sound strange, but I say do neither! If people come to you stating that they believe what you do is real, simply state - “That’s good, that was my goal. But, I beg, do not always trust your eyes, what you hear or the men and women who claim marvelous things. Not everyone has the powers that you or others may give them credit for. I am not unlike you, I simply have an understanding of the art of deception - trust in yourself, your abilities, and know that wondrous things are possible but perhaps not in the ways you think or believe them to be.” You could re-word the above to fit into the end of your presentation if you need or desire to do so. With that stated -- I, not unlike Bill, would also urge caution when treading on the business practices of those in your area. Bizarre magic is not for everyone. Even though some may envy you, I feel it’s because they may not have been subject to such a situation or perhaps they wish to take advantage of those who believe. The bizarre style of performance brings a great deal of responsibility for the performer. You may decide to re-design your performance style and make it more tongue-in-cheek or you might decide to stop performing your style of magic, publicly. The choice of how you should proceed is yours. Best of luck, whatever the decision may be.
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Chevrie Regular user West Texas 120 Posts |
This could be a dangerous door to unlock. I agree with what most have said, be careful.
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voodoo Regular user Indonesia 163 Posts |
I'll do my best try to go with your advice moonlite knight, cause until right now I'm still trying to make my performance look different.
I'm not trying to take them off Bill, I just feel verry badly for those people who've been take advantage of.
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Magickman Elite user St.Petersburg, Fl. 402 Posts |
Ahhh welcome to the edge Voodoo!
You are finding that peoples beliefs are a hard thing to push, to change. It won't happen my friend. I don't think any of us here could change something so strong as the will of man. But the one thing you can do, to prove to people that you truly are different, is to be humble! Make them smile, make them laugh, leave them with their mouths dropped open and say "Thank you!" For no magick happens without your audience! Magickman
What man knows he calls Science
What he has yet to learn he calls Magick Both are real! _Tony Andruzzi_ |
Aron Devin New user Chattanooga, TN 78 Posts |
I had an interesting conversation with a Christian friend of mine last night after showing him the Karl Fulves trick Gemini Twins. He immediately wanted me to do it again; which I didn't because I knew it fooled him badly and instead of enjoying the effect he wanted to try and figure it out. He then mentioned David Blaine and how he thought he was an evil influence upon people because of his "supernatural powers" and how he made it seem more inticing for others to become seduced by the "black arts". I tried to explain to him that blaine was a performer and not the Antichrist Hell bent on converting the entire population to worship Satan so they could then perform card tricks on TV but he would hear none of it: I even went so far as to show him one of the tricks Blaine had done but to no avail; he proceeded to tell me of a book he'd read where a woman who had been a former dabbler in the Dark Arts was able to stop .44 Magnum bullets from killing her in kind of Satanic Olympic Competition wherein various and sundry people with evil powers would see who could perform the greatest show of their powers. I was amazed because here was a man whose opinion I respected and who I thought was intelligent. I guess it just goes to show how easy it is to fool people, both for good and bad reasons. My point to this post is simply this: I think that even if you were to expose all the secrets of magic to some people they would believe the explanations you gave them were false and mere coverings for the dark powers you are summoning to cause the card to keep rising to the top of the deck. People believe what they want to believe and no amount of cajoling, explaining, or exposing will make them think or believe differently. My advice: take their money as honestly as you can.
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Clifford the Red Inner circle LA, California 1941 Posts |
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On 2004-08-16 23:06, Aron Devin wrote: Sounds like one of my favorite South Park episodes... I guess you didn't conjure Pizuzu for him, did you
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