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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
I just finished reading your "Chicago Surprise" and I loved it!
As earlier mentioned somewhere here, I've done the Chicago Opener for many years and I noticed a tiny thing mentioned in your description re the handling of the card dropped to the floor, that I've used for many years, but in a different way. It doesn't matter to most, but I recall you described dropping the card to the floor by holding it at the short edges with one hand (the right one, deck in dealing position in the left) and drop it and it doesn't turn over on its way to the floor. Correct! But, I've done similar/but different) during all the years and had not (luckily) a single "miss". It is much simpler. I'm just thumbing off the card (after the double-lift) horizontally/parallel to the floor. IOW, I'm just thumbing it off the deck and let it drop all this done of course, with one hand, the left is still holding the deck. It works and is more natural (IMHO) Have a go, but I presume you too since publishing of the Chicago Surprise have altered your handling? Actually I do the same, when standing up at a table and drop the card on the table the same way, as described just thumbing it off the deck, with the *dealing* hand. My "story/handling" is a bit different, as I give the spec credit for the change of the cards back/(colour). My patter is something like - whilst thumbing it off-: "How did you do that?" /guesturing with my free right hand) "Can you do it again?" Hereby I prepare for the next step in forcing the corresponding card and ending up by the card on the floor/table takes over the "face" of the latest card selected standard routine. Anyway. I just wanted to mention, that it wasn't necessary to take over the card with the right hand holding it as you described and drop it there from a simple thumb off does the job equally well and is both easier/shorter/less handling and as deceptive/working re the crd doesn't turn over on its road to the floor.
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
PaulGreen Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Hi Werner,
Whit's work is great! Your technique for dropping the card will work as long as you let go of the card while it is parallel to the floor. If the card "catches" on any edge, it will turn over. Your approach and method appear unstudied and natural. I like it. BTW, In my FOR ON THE FLOOR routine, I drop the cards to the floor. In my handling, it is a display of four single cards. It is much more natural in this situation to actually take the card by its edges before dropping it. Thanks for sharing, Paul Green |
Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
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On 2004-08-14 14:05, PaulGreen wrote: Thanx for giving your thoughts.. Actually I didn't disclose anything earthshuttering, but was just a bit surprised, Whit -who is a great handler of everything he does- does hold the card the way he does. You did however mention a funny thing too , and that is the following: *If the card "catches" on any edge, it will turn over. * Maybe you wheren't aware how funny this remark is, because as you know, what you mention is entirely correct, but this goes for any method of dropping a card and letting it *float* freely down also for the grib Whit does use. BTW, I loved your video re *The classical force* many many valuable tips there. Apart from a good friend, who does force a card without anybody ever would suspect he does, actually he does it that well, as there is absolutely no *sign* of any -not even the slightest- break to se between the forcecard, the ones before or after, Johnny Paul had always my admiration. Alone the way he avoids cutting the card to get ready is priceless and so natural. Also his approach re *jumping* into it/to a spec so they have no time at all to think, but just *have* to grab a card is very very fine.. Also remarks like (to a lady): *What was your name dear* (or similar), the moment they are about to reach after a card is great *misdirection*, occupying their mind by thinking for a splitsecond about the answer and so being more careless re after which card they are reaching. Anyway, just a few thoughts that came to mind. Oh, if I'm not mistaken that routine of yours you mentioned I think I've seen..either on one of the *convention at the capital* tapes or in your Force video. Take care so they don't catch you when you're forcing them a card. OTOH, no way. You're too good at it Rgs. Werner PS. Ahh, I suddenly realize what you ment with catching an edge. You ment the edge of the deck I suppose. Well, as mentioned I've done this -actually without practicing, just done it- for so many years and I never had problems. But one day it might happen, NOT catching an edge, but it probably will turn over on its way down. Somebody might open a window or similar draft can occur. Posted: Aug 14, 2004 3:44pm ----------------------------------------------- Oh Paul, One more remark re that one hand drop. I just did it to see why and how it works. I had to study myself how I do it. The card is thumbed off the deck sideways -as for dealing- about almost half the width of the card and then the left hand holding the deck is withdrawn a bit downwards and to the left. In other words, the card is NOT thumbed off completely, but the deck is withdrawn downwards and to the left. It still is a natural action like one often does use when dealing onehanded cards off a deck. Have a go and thumb off cards through the entire deck and see how many *misses* you get. I suspect none.
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
PaulGreen Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Hi Werner,
You are correct--thumb off the card and withdraw the deck. Thanks for your kind words about the Classic Force videotape. Regards, Paul Green |
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
That's very interesting, Werner, and it seems to work fine. I will play with it. Thanks.
Nevertheless, I still prefer to separate the card from the deck in the process of "calling the card facedown." This helps to isolate the card in the spectator's mind--there is no connection to any possible move or switch with the rest of the cards. Once you have shown the blue card face up, it is turned over and picked up in the position to drop it as it is being named--"Was your card (turn card facedown) by any chance, (pick up card and hold it out toward spectator in drop position) the queen of hearts?" Now the moment of agreement is made as the card is clearly away from the deck and isolated in the air, and it is only then that what is obviously a single card floats to the floor. This may be stronger, in my opinion, because the spectators have just agreed to the card that is face down and obviously a "single card" and separated from the other cards in a hand that is obviously otherwise empty. At the moment of agreement, the total focus is on that card and it is then that it is dropped and all eyes follow its fall to the ground. The spectator is asked to put his foot on the card. This is as strong and convincing a display as I can imagine. There doesn't seem to be any possiblity of sleight-of-hand, since the switch happened way before the moment of agreement, and from the moment of agreement and total focus of the audience on the card, nothing sneaky could possibly have been accomplished. |
Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Thanks for your response Whit and your thinking about the whole plot.
Actually the Chicago Surprise made *me* think, and especially your thinking about calling the cards name when it is face down sfter being pushed off -with the delay in mentioning it's name- is a good and great idea. So reading your fine explanations, has given me lots of ideas I have to think much, much more about. The *d'mnd* thing is, that I just was so satisfied and happy the way I did it hidthero Anyway,the way you (mis)call the name of the card aso. -I think- can still be used whilst thumbing off the card the way I always used..at last I think it can..as mentioned I have to speculate abut it much more. Have to admit though that, when it is separated from the deck, it seems stronger. My thinking just was, that the specs are still so baffled re the back colour changed and it IS their card, the drop aso. goes on almost unnoticed, when the double is deceptive and it seems natural to show them the changed back one more time -to ensure it IS the crd they selected-and pushing it off, dropping it. TBH, I not even have tried out your handling re dropping your card, because my mind was bloked when reading abouty it, as I immediately thought, it might even be more risky do drop it whilst heldp at the front and back edge, as realising it with ones fingers might not be simultanously and so the card would turn. Of course it doesn't, but these just where my thoughts. Anyway, the rest of your fine routine gaves me food for thought to think more about the whole managment of it, OTOH, I must admit, I want to keep it short and to the point, but you have so many fine point in it. I'm soon on a holiday and will use the time to read, reread at try some of the ideas you outlined. Thanks for your response, kind regards, Werner PS. YOU have given the whole handling so much (correct) *thinking* and I have to admit I overlooked the separation (making a switch impossible) idea when mentioning a nonchalant thumb-pushoff as a substitute for your handling!
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
It is always good to look at things from many different angles. I enjoyed playing with your move, and may find other uses for it. You may find a way to make it work, and make it even better. Just wanted to let you know how my thinking went.
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