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icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
A little off topic but it does have something to do with ties.
Try the pen through the tie, using those magnet pens out there. On the Pen Thru Anything video there is a real nice presentation where you actually start pulling out the inside of the tie. It really looks like you have stuffed up the tie. Much better than a simple restoration of a hole. Better for close-up than the stage but still it works on stage. I would suggest the (don't know name) the pen that's black and double ended. You can get a very clean ending to it. Stupid alternatives--that's what I excel at. David Welzman |
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
You're thinking of the Empire pen. It's a good one.
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nick nickolas New user Melbourne Australia 78 Posts |
Hello...thanks everyone, I didn't know what sort of storm I'd created. It was for a gig inquiry which fell out the pan a couple of days later.
I was out with Phil last week and he says he doesn't use stooges. It all has to do with the duck. Nick |
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
Yeah but the duck is in on it.
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Reg Rozee Special user Vancouver, Canada 592 Posts |
OK, this is tie cutting related and funny (I think), so since I will probably never get another chance to mention it I'm going to slip it in here...
A comedy restaurant in Canada had a standing warning that if you came in wearing a tie, they would cut it off. A friend of mine decided to go one night wearing a tie...made out of chain mail! (That's metal, and yes I know you just call it "mail" but I wanted everyone to know what I was talking about...) So let's say you have an associate who volunteers for the routine you do tie-cutting in. His tie isn't clearly visible to the audience, and when you try to cut it with scissors you obviously fail. He smiles and reveals he is wearing a metal tie! You grin right back with a "no problem", and produce a giant pair of bolt cutters from some impossible place! I always wanted to use a pair of those giant bolt cutters as a comedy prop, and couldn't figure out a good fit until now...
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Bradley Morgan Special user 702 Posts |
There is also a routine in one of John scarnes books.
"I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." - Einstein
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sly2272 Loyal user 256 Posts |
Any updates on Phils routine, has it been released.
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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Here is one cut & restored tie version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcHynS7wZuU
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
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On 2004-10-06 13:48, suspectacts wrote: There is a cut and restore tie routine in Matt Fore DVD called Comedy Routines. There is some setup before the show. The routine itself is very funny and he shares some great ways to mask the setup to the rest of the audience as well the logic for restoring the tie is very well done and is handed back to the spectator with duck tape and wrapped up as a gift. The spec who is given the tie to wear at the start of the show is just as amazed as the rest of the audience because of the way he restores it back. If you want to use this method I think Matt routine is the best I have seen for the restore.
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Kamal Loyal user 253 Posts |
I've got that DVD, and agree that the method is probably the best one I've seen. And he's a very funny guy.
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Rich B. Special user Philadelphia 632 Posts |
Here is Phil Cass's cut and restored tie routine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRoWDsvgwIw&feature=related There is no question that Phil Cass is a really funny dude and highly entertaining. But the method seems really obvious...unless the this thing we call magic is REAL. A tie cut right in the open...no cover...from an "audience member"...which the bottom half of the cut tie is signed by the "audience member"...is fully restored...with signature intact. The too perfect theory comes into play here...leaving one solution. I guess it really doesn't matter how the trick is accomplished in this case, because the routine itself is fantastic. Rich B. |
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
I recently got John Kaplan's Killer Cut. It's a very visual cut and restored hanky effect. I've not got around to making it up yet and I'm away from home so don't have access to the dvd but I'm wondering whether this effect could be adapted to using a tie in place of a hanky?
It might require slightly altering the 'mechanics'. Then again it might be that the hanky can't be substituted with a tie. But this will certainly be something that I'll be playing around with when I get home.
Neal Austin
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Rich B. Special user Philadelphia 632 Posts |
Sealegs, I have Killer Cut and thought of the same thing. The only problem I see is that the tie can't be borrowed unless you have one of those special audience members.
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Rich, While what you say is generally true I have an, as yet, untested idea for faking removing the tie from an audience member effectively making them an instant, but totally passive and largely uninvolved, stooge.
Of course that person and maybe those sat either side of them will know you're faking the borrrowing of the tie but they will still, if Killer Cut can be adapted, be just as baffled by the actual effect.
Neal Austin
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
I agree Neal, and even if you have them put the tie on before the show they will be just as amazed when you do your stuff. I don't think having a stooge with this type of effect is a bad thing.
Floyd
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Floyd, I suspect that you think like me on this point, a stooge can be ok for any effect.
However stooging isn't always a practical proposition and instant stooging is sometimes an option where pre show stooging isn't. Not having the paricipant/instant stooge come up on stage and be in the spot light means there's less chance for the audience to tumble on to the fact that the person is, to some degree, in on the effect. This is especially important where you are doing something that requires the stooge to provide an emotional response to a siuation rather than just an action. To some degree the success of the effect is handed over to the stooge's ability to pitch their response just right. Personally I prefer to rely on my own abilities for this rather than a random audience member. In this regard the cut and restored tie is one of the more difficult for the audience member to act out without giving some of the game away. That's why I like the idea, (and at the moment that's all it is) for this effect to have them stay in their seat as I fake the removing of a tie that they're not wearing. Of course I've yet to find out if this is itself a practical option.
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Neal,
I agree with everything you have said that is another great way to look at it.
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kardini Regular user Brazil 141 Posts |
Here many actuals performances of brazilian magician KARDINI (in Bibo Nunes Show - Ulbra TV) in Cut and Restored Necktie:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIhvHhqRyiw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORhfEnMFUtQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eewJNLRk0EE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbYRETUgDS4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgL645Q-ws - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6kJe1-w0qU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRibv7lPKU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6T8b_pZfoA
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Thanks for the clips Kardini.
While the method used in these clips can be said to work (in as much as the tie does at one point get cut and then restored) I personally find it a rather unsatisfactory method. While the handling can certainly be very clean the end overall result, in my opinion, really isn't. I say that with the caveat (that's caveat not cravat) of not being able to understand the language used in the clips. The tie has to have the end cut off for the method to be deceptive and then that end is left unrestored. That means if you're borrowing a tie to do this you are destroying someones tie and returning it damaged and unusable. Isn't that a cut and unrestored tie rather than a cut and restored tie? Alternatively, if you're using a tie you've planted you have a method that still leaves the tie, at the end of the routine, hopelessly damaged and, at least as far as the end piece of the tie is concerned, unrestored.... this, in my opinion, produces a much inferior end result than other possible methods that use a planted tie. In my opinion leaving the tie with the end cut off leaves the whole effect unresolved, undermines the entire routine and therefore makes the previous restoration kind of pointless. (which is how the tie ends up!) Maybe the weaknesses that sceam at me with this method are taken care of with the scripting? It would be interesting to know if this is the case...or how how these points are otherwise dealt with.
Neal Austin
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