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Scott Kahn Special user Clayton, NC 786 Posts |
I need an accurate reference for the false tabled cut at 1:50 in this Ricky Jay video. Is is similar to Frank Garcia’s Affas Gaffas False Cut. I seem to remember learning on Bill Malone’s Sam the Bellhop video as well. Dai Vernon maybe?
https://youtu.be/UWvRorX0KhQ
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
Looks like Vernon's Cold Deck Cut.
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Scott Kahn Special user Clayton, NC 786 Posts |
It is not Vernon's Cold Deck Cut
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Oct 17, 2019, Scott Kahn wrote: Been a while since I’ve read or seen the Vernon cut, but this just seems to be the exact same dynamics of the move, just with each packet being tabled rather than dropped atop each other. As such, I never saw it as anything other than a subtle variant. |
magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Great use of Lorayne's Spread Control here.
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
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On Oct 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: I've never trusted my LSC to pass but Jay makes it look seamless. Maybe I'll revisit.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Oct 17, 2019, magicfish wrote: Agreed and it looks great with Bee backs.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
Yes.. Sam the Bellhop 654 club. I use that false cut quite often you referenced as well as many of Lennert Green's other FC 's and shuffles. Great dvd.
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Scott Kahn Special user Clayton, NC 786 Posts |
Bill Malone (on the Sam the Bellhop DVD) calls it the Vernon False Table Cut. Anyone know where it was first published?
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camron Regular user 160 Posts |
Aha! I knew I was right about where it was first published .. I just opened up my book and there it is....
I will tell you that it isn't Vernon's... Glad I could help! |
Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Oct 20, 2019, camron wrote: Where was it first published? |
Scott Kahn Special user Clayton, NC 786 Posts |
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On Oct 20, 2019, camron wrote: Could you possibly provide some insight?
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
It is definitely NOT the Affus Gaffus false cut (which, like a lot of "his" other stuff, doesn't belong to Frank Garcia). It was in print some 20 years before Garcia first put it in Marked Cards and Loaded Dice in 1962.
Tarbell 3 credits what became known as Affus Gaffus to Paul Rosini. The cut Ricky is doing is similar, but doesn't use the "pre-cutting" sequence that the regular Affus Gaffus cut requires. Rather, it uses a sort of "post-cutting sequence" to get back to its starting point. Jason
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Scott Kahn Special user Clayton, NC 786 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, JasonEngland wrote: Thanks for your response Jason. The cut that Rick Jay is using is the same EXACT cut that Bill Malone teaches on "Sam the Bellhop," where he calls it "Vernon's False Table Cut." In a recent email, Bill Malone tells me the cut was shown to him when he was very young by Ed Marlo, who told him it was a Dai Vernon cut. After EXTENSIVE research, I have not been able to find the proper credit. This, of course, makes it difficult for me to credit the cut in my upcoming book. UGH!!! Scott
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camron Regular user 160 Posts |
The place that I've located that cut is in "Ultimate Secrets of Card Magic by Lewis Ganson, under the title "The Jennings false cut".
In Chapter 10, The Larreverse... That's what I've seen in print... |
camron Regular user 160 Posts |
I watched the video again and it's the EXACT cut in the ultimate secrets book... Not saying the cut IS Larry's, but it IS published under his name....
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Camron,
Good find. I knew I'd seen that cut before but I couldn't place it. Well done. Jason
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camron Regular user 160 Posts |
Thanks. I didn't have access to the book and then I went to Denis' site, but it's not listed in the contents...
thought I was losing my mind for a minute until I was able to open the book and read the description... |
Scott Kahn Special user Clayton, NC 786 Posts |
Thanks Camron!!! That is it!!!
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