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burgerinc Regular user Sin City 196 Posts |
It's sad though that Rick should sell these when he hasn't fulfilled his responsibilities for these items. I don't blame Vic but Rick owes me some of these besides as I previously stated that he offered the booktest rights to me. Awful human being.
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RCP Inner circle Two Minnie's in The Hell's Half Acre, The Republic of Texas 2183 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2018, Christopher Gould wrote: BRAVO! Christopher, eloquently written. Vic (other creators) have a zero, none, nadda obligation to uphold lies told by Rick. If they chose to do so it is out of a total dedication to the community and you should support them. I deal only with the current dealers. Vic Nadata, Bill Montana, and Dan Baines. |
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Al Desmond Inner circle Secret Mountain Lair in Conifer, Co 1511 Posts |
I want to throw my hat in the ring in regards to Vic's integrity.
I have been part of the Gemini product line for about seven months now, with my selection of cribs for his popular book tests. He's been very fair about the pricing, he made very fair arrangements in regards to what he pays me and what he keeps and he pays almost as fast as he makes a sale. In regards to RCP's opinion on collectibles, I don't think the value of an item has anything to do with the fact that there are millions of people out there. There are not millions of bizarre performers and we like to keep these treasures to ourselves. The value is in what we give the prop, and has no bearing on the open market. |
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burgerinc Regular user Sin City 196 Posts |
I have had good dealings with all. If I wasnt clear before, I have no issues with Vic.
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
Who thinks Vic needs anyone testifying to his reputation in this micro community? Put up your hand!
That's what I thought... We all know he's a good guy. Or do you believe there are that many new people who need to be red alerted? As if we are growing in numbers leaps and bounds. You can look at the sticky at the top of the forum to get a list of top shelf reputable vendors or just ask someone before you buy if you really must. It's not an issue, it never was. Why is there always a public knee jerk reaction (on both sides) to issues that are not even problems? Ones that are simply solved with a private email or just ignore the thread? Yes, the communication was not entirely clear as Vic confirmed. But it didn't warrant a public broadcast all points bulletin. This is one reason forums are dying, people see what is really important to some (not just this issue), and it's a turn off. And our art is turning into, well, collectors art for the most part. Driven by the coveted COA's and escalating investment potential. Giving COA's more value then they are worth. It's driving a hyped, false market which is good for no one (and terrible for starving artist performers who want to buy it to actually use it!). So much for the performance art side of things on these limited run items, as most will live in the dark. I'm generalizing but not too far off from the reality, I believe. BTW Outlaw COA's (and COA's in general) have little to no value. Enjoy the props, and don't feed the second hand, over inflated, market prices. COA's are partially to blame for turning these items into $$$ collector bait (it's out of control just look at book prices). Even if you didn't have a COA, you actually think that lowers the value or greatness of a prop and you won't be able to sell it down the road? Who cares you're "collecting" it! And if you are buying to resell then you are not doing the community a favor and there is little sympathy. I wish COA's didn't exist, they are poison for all the reasons stated. You can only make so many hand made props before you have to stop. The low unit numbers attract collectors and we just have to live with it (when in Rome play the game I guess). We are not as underground as we think we are. And count your lucky stars your name isn't Rick. Signed "The other" Rick
THE SUPERNATURAL ILLUSIONIST & EFFECTS CREATOR WWW.MRDARKNESS.COM
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Delimbeau Special user May the magic be with you 596 Posts |
Some more background on the collecting perspective:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_collecting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectable |
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Brynmore14 Inner circle The Séance Chamber 1815 Posts |
Vic is one of the reasons The Roxanne Effect was such a success for me. He was incredibly supportive and asked nothing in return. I agree with Darkness in saying that those of us who know Vic, personally or professionally, know he's a stand up guy without a doubt.
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3243 Posts |
Yeah, Vics a saint and should be canonized ASAP.
Anyway, weren't pre orders of the new Luna supposed to come with a "ward key"? Maybe I misread the offer way, way, way, back when the order was placed. Otherwise, when the product did finally arrive, months later, it was absolutely 100% ok. Even without the key. I'll probably just go to a hobby store, and make a stand in for a few dollars. But, it's really just a passing curiosity at this point, so no biggie either way. Hope everyone's having a great day
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.
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Merlinsmagic Inner circle Daly City, CA 1606 Posts |
It was for the 1st 20 pre orders got keys.
I for 1 applaud Vic for doing what he did & know that whatever reason he did what he did was for the best of all & at his expense. The only thing that bothered me was that Ricks business practice gone wrong seems to have people so wound up & when someone like Vic rescues these effects his intentions are questioned.....people like Vic I commend & whole heartedly thank that he did what he did for us & the original creators that lost alot. After reading Prof & Chris's posts, its became clearer as to the integrity that Vic has had trying to believe & help Rick until the end result was worse than the Titanic sinking. I am a collector & am starting to more use these limited number effects more now, yes we pay good money for limited & low produced items & I love that I don't see these effects plastered all over youtube by kids !! The whole COA thing has goods & bads, I have purchased effects that the seller lost the coa & am still happy being able to purchase a 2nd hand effect I missed out on, they still command money as they are limited coa or not. Some of us care others don't & I know that even if we can't trust what Rick says that Vic will look into & not produce more than Rick claimed he would. Vic you explained yourself here & even apologized for not being more on point about your newsletter you sent about your acquisitions, your a gentleman among us & I support what you do or will (or will not do) with these that you are acquiring from Rick & that you even are giving some back to rightful owners & creators that lost out on they're dealings with outlaw. Its sad in general to see a business like outlaw with fantastic effects go the way it has, but in reality most of them were the ideas,creations & built by others & taken advantage of by Rick...... Vic you keep on doing what you do, if I had a magic dollar it would say "in Vic we trust" (lol). You have done a great service to us all by having these awesome creators now apart of Gemini Artifacts & back into offering what they do best, crazy awesome ideas & effects for US & our love of bizarre & in ways we don't know. I can understand that a few may have taken what was said in Vic's newsletter in concern because of Ricks/outlaws history as of past & late, but this is Vic guys, when has he done anyone wrong & ditched on us as did Outlaw/Rick....? My 2 cents |
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Wizard of Oz Inner circle Most people wish I didn't have 5150 Posts |
I've lauded Vic's skill and ethics in the past, but shall again as they cannot be stressed enough. We are lucky to have him.
Here are some of the very basic but priceless business practices Vic adheres to that make him shine: Courteous and respectful Timely communicator Delivers what he promises Only offers a product when it is available Stands by his offerings Tells you on his website when an item is NOT available. I cannot tell you how good it makes me feel to see "Sold Out" on a magic website which I frequent, and respect. First, it reassures me that I am one of many realizing the value of what this merchant has to offer, and everyone likes to back a winner. Second, I am not sending money for a product I will not see for weeks, months, even years later...or never at all. Or more fairly comparing to the magic business in general, avoiding the dreaded "Back Ordered" we so often see on a receipt from a magic supplier. That infuriates me. It is essentially a big "F.U. sucker! You spent money on something we don't even have yet." But most of all, Vic is trusted and respected. Those words are not earned quickly or easily. And the words "Caveat emptor" have no relevance here.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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DrTodd Inner circle 1976 Posts |
I was very pleased and honoured to work with Vic on the new Luna edition, which is vastly improved from the previous editions. His attention to detail amd thought processes are fantastic, as are his professionalism, customer service, and friendliness.
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Mr Timothy Gray Veteran user Rue d'Auseil 364 Posts |
I'm a big fan of what Vic is doing over at Gemini, but this kind of thread is EXACTLY the reason why I hardly visit the Café and the Spooky forum anymore. Endless chat and hype about 'limited edition' props, the frenzy to buy up said props, and the perpetuation of an imaginary market.
I can't support it any longer. It isn't artistically fulfilling. I have shows to perform.
Yr. Obdt. Svt.,
Mr Timothy Gray Specializing in the Occult Arts of Fortune Telling, Magic & Mediumship; Est. 1986 |
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Winks Special user Arizona 753 Posts |
And your point is? No one forces you to read these threads.
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts |
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On Apr 19, 2018, Mr Timothy Gray wrote: I would like to say you'll be missed but I've never heard of you or seen you on this thread. Hope your shows do well.
"Til Death us do part!" - Weepin Willie
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greerj Loyal user East Tennessee 282 Posts |
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On Apr 19, 2018, Mr Timothy Gray wrote: I love the Café. It has posts that are informative, helpful, strange, annoying and sometimes downright maddening, but I have never found it to be artistically fulfilling. I'm not a performer, though, so perhaps that is the reason others read it. |
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JBD New user 65 Posts |
Gemini Artifacts is outstanding! Vic Nadata has provided outstanding service. Vic has supplied cards I managed to lose for Witches Almanac and instructions for another effect, which involved Vic going out of his way to photograph them and email them. I would recommend Vic's Gemini Artifacts for anyone looking for some creepy strange magic!
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Mad0hatter Regular user 192 Posts |
Wait are y'all saying that y'll got a COA with your DDT cause I bought mine directly from outlaw and I definitely did not. All I got was a velvet bag and the cards.
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts |
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On Mar 29, 2020, Mad0hatter wrote: Yes it came with a COA. There were 2 versions of it.
"Til Death us do part!" - Weepin Willie
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Mad0hatter Regular user 192 Posts |
Quote: Other than no COA, what are the differences?
On Mar 29, 2020, weepinwil wrote: |
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