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TheNightBringer89
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Can someone please calrify for me exactley what hypnosis is? I've read some books on it and all of them said that you can't really get people to do things, or put them into a trance. Just things like anchoring and getting the audienc to see or feel sometihng bending.

But then I hear people on this forum talking about hypnotising people to say, or do something when a certain key word is spoken, not just little things like an emotion with anchoring. But actually causing them to say something, forget something, or even fall asleep.

Which is it? Simply suggestion? "Its getting warmer in your hand isn't it?"
Or can you actually have them fall over on command, or say a certain phrase?
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I realized answering fundamental questions like this tends to generate tremendous problems--many of them confusing, thus exacerbating the challenge of understanding the underpinnings of something so socially mysterious as hypnosis. So, I got a grant through IMBRE to write and publish a guidebook on it (due out later this year).

It's free and will answer any and all questions with reasonable care and thought. (At worst, I promise the discussions will not revolve around whether hypnosis exists or not to begin with--or some other non-sensical psychobabble). All it does is package the past 100 years of hypnosis research into 30 neat and very readable pages.

It's making the rounds with editors, but if you PM me your mailing address, I'll be sure you get one when it's published.

For now, you can check out the small--but distinguished and ever-growing--collection of free articles at http://www.IMBRE.org

Hope it helps,
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One of the reasons you haven't been able to find an answer your question is because there hasn't been an agreed upon definition as to what exactly hypnosis is and what it can accomplish. Every hypnotist may actually hold a different definition as to what it is they are practicing. There are even a few who practice that state there is no such thing as Hypnosis. Kreskin is a notable example. The basis of all hypnosis is arguably suggestion and that in itself is a powerful tool everyone from the top advertising companies to your parents use.

Hypnosis may accomplish some very strange things if the subject believes that those things will happen. I've had subject who were doubtful of hypnosis unable to open their mouth or say their own name all with out ever inducing the 'trance' like state famous when one thinks of hypnosis. There is really not simple answer to your question. I hope this helps.

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The way I like to think of it in my head is as a state of mind. This is a very loose definition but allows me to sleep at night.

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On 2005-01-20 17:08, magicbygeorge wrote:
One of the reasons you haven't been able to find an answer your question is because there hasn't been an agreed upon definition as to what exactly hypnosis is and what it can accomplish. Every hypnotist may actually hold a different definition as to what it is they are practicing. There are even a few who practice that state there is no such thing as Hypnosis. Kreskin is a notable example. The basis of all hypnosis is arguably suggestion and that in itself is a powerful tool everyone from the top advertising companies to your parents use.

Hypnosis may accomplish some very strange things if the subject believes that those things will happen. I've had subject who were doubtful of hypnosis unable to open their mouth or say their own name all with out ever inducing the 'trance' like state famous when one thinks of hypnosis. There is really not simple answer to your question. I hope this helps.

-George Tait



While this is mostly true, there is in fact an agreed upon definition. It was generated by the American Psychological Assocation (Division 30) and goes through revisions every now and then as the research evolves.

When reading it, you'll notice that it's very open-ended, that's because you're right in saying there are many varying shades of definition; however, there are elements often exhibited in the hypnotic state that are different from consciousness.

Hypnosis doesn't lend itself to a concrete definition like the hard sciences of Biology or Chemistry, since it has no known unique psychophysiology or neurobehavioral basis; however, that does not mean a reasonable and responsible definition fails to exist. Rather, it's a lot like talking about Love; you need a common understanding (definition) to talk about it intelligently, however, since everyone experiences it a bit differently, you talk more in terms of shades of grey, not black and white.
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Oh great now Im even more confused lol. procyonrising I'll pm you my adress thanks for the offer! I guess what really confused me was that every book I read and every person I've talked to says that hypnosis is purely suggestion, there is no such tihng as a hypnotic trance, and you can't get people to do major things like fall over.

But then I come on here and read about how people think derren brown accomplishes his effects by hypnotising people off camera then triggering whatever it is on camera? Getting people to fall asleep, think things, and feel things. I just didn't think that was possible. I'm just so very confused.
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Exactly what I hoped to avoid... oh, well.

The short of it is that hypnosis relies upon suggestion, but suggestion is not hypnosis. You can be suggestible--and respond to suggestions--but not be hypnotized.

Yes, you can do major things, like make people fall over (Bent Over Backwards does just that). And, trance phenomena have been clearly distinguished from normal consciousness in the lit.

A lot to think about, I know.

I'd say wait for the guidebook. The thinking behind it was to make it as clear and easy to read as possible, while relying upon the best information available.
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I don't think you could go far wrong for an intro to hypnosis than the book Sleight of Mind, *** excellent! I've gone from a know nothing to ebing able to do it quite happily in about a month.

PS How doyou feel about posting to two threads? I have a question about hypnosis that I've put on the Sleight of Mind thread, is it okay to post it here too? Or can somebody with a lot of experience of hypnosis take a look there and maybe help me out?

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