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The Donster
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I guess I'm gonna have to get a set to before they recall them.
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The Lock convention is here in Indy thsi weekend and we just had lunch with Stan Willis. He holds the Guiness record for the largest handcuff collection.

Anyways, he had a new in the packaging discontinued ASP cuff. We bought it from him and right there on the spot exploited every flaw Pastor Clyde pointed out.

Now, here is where it gets interesting. He has the new "fixed" model from ASP. I tell you now...there is no difference. The exact method I used were the same. It took the same amount of force in the exact same location. The only difference is the target is now yellow instead of red.

I really don't know what flaw they thought they were fixing. But it sure wasnt any flaw that Pastor Clyde had found.

The funny thing is on the back of the packaging it shows what other products one may be interested in to compliment you ASP Tactical handcuffs...such as Triad lights, Kwik Key and insignia caps.
My thought of a good product to compliment you ASP cuffs would be....another set of cuffs.

Hope some of you find this info beneficial.
Kevin & Kristen
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Kevin,

That is great! Thanks for sharing that. My new version of ASPs are due to arrive Monday. Chris has them in at Discounthandcuffswarehouse.com I was wondering what they would do with them. Like you, I can't believe that didn't fix the problems. I'm concerned for the officer on the street who uses them.

Clyde
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Joe Fox also posted his findings over at handcuffs.org... he found the same things I did. If you see any officer using them let them know, maybe even show them.

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Like a kid at Christmas I hurriedly tore open the box that contained the newest version of the ASP 100 handcuffs. Earlier I had discovered the ease with which this model could be exploited. Production on the handcuffs was halted due to the obvious limitations of the cuffs and a recall was declared. The long awaited release of the new and improved version had finally come and I was about to get my first look at the improvements. Kevin, of Living Illusions, had already commented on the cuffs saying they could be compromised as the earlier cuffs. Even so I tried to stay open to what I might find upon examining them.

The bright yellow version of the improved cuffs was before me and I cut through the plastic. At first glance they appeared the same with the exception that these were a bright yellow instead of black; a choice I made so that they could be easily distinguished from one another. It was also immediately apparent that the double lock bar was yellow instead of red, again as Kevin had said.
The clearance around the key post appeared to me to be a bit smaller than the original but I decided to reserve judgment on that until I actually tried to to open them.

Attempting to compare the two versions fairly I retrieved my earlier version and laid them side by side. The key I grabbed to begin my probe was a generic key and it worked roughly within the keyway. I exchanged it for the key included with the cuffs and that key worked a bit better though it was still a bit snug. This, I reasoned, was probably due to the smaller clearance around the keyway but questioned whether this tight fight would pose problems for the host of keys that are used among officers. Upon investigation I found that the key appeared to engage the mechanisms at the same point as in the earlier cuffs.

Snipping a strip of the plastic packaging I fashioned a shim as I like the one I had successfully used on the older version. I tried the shim on the old set first and it easily opened them easily as before. Upon trying them on the newer version the shim bent. The width of the channel was a bit less. Upon my second try the cuffs did open as Kevin indicated but I found the effort to be a bit more intentional. This I felt was a bit of an improvement over the first version that practically guided the shim to its required location.

Next I studied the workings by removing the locking module. It too had a tighter fit and did not volunteer to fall out as was the case in the earlier model. Immediately a small metal plate around each of the the keyways was noted; an improvement on the "wear-and-tear" capability of the cuffs I'm sure. As I played with the key, locking and unlocking the single lock and the double lock I noticed that the newer version allowed you to apply the double lock by turning the key as well as pulling the bar down with the pointed end as before. This modification suggested that the insides of the mechanism also experienced an overhaul. From the outside the double lock bar appeared the same other than its change to bright yellow. It still presented the telltale indication of where to release the double lock by telegraphing it with the brightly colored bar,
Upon removing the covers of the old and new locking modules I found a significant change to the locking/release bar. Though the key engages the mechanism at the same points on both the middle and end keyways, the ability to set the double lock with the key required a modification to the corresponding parts. This change did not appear to significantly add nor detract from earlier findings with the cuffs though releasing the double lock with a straight pick such as a paper clip was slightly more difficult. Unlocking the single lock, though still performed in the same way, was a bit more of a challenge as well due to having less clearance around the key post with which to work. Rapping the cuffs had no effect on the single nor the double lock mechanisms.

All in all I applaud ASP for improving the handcuffs by a) decreasing the clearance around the key posts, b) by improving the mounting of the locking module, c) for altering the double lock release so that it requires more tension to release it d) lessening the clearance available to shim the cuffs and e) adding the ability to double lock the cuffs with the turn of a key. Though still a playground for escapists due to its double keyways, this cuff is now, in my opinion, on par with most mainline cuffs for ease of entry. The only exception being that the double keyways give more entry points. This fact still makes me hesitate to recommend them to my police officer friends though I am less afraid for those carrying these cuffs than I was/am for those with the earlier version.

In the future ASP might consider changing the color of the inside portion of the double lock bar to make it less obvious where to pick off the double lock. Next, they may want to add a false tooth just above the pawl to lessen the ease with which the cuffs are shimmed. And finally, they may want to consider removing one of the keyways from each cuff to lessen the opportunity for them to be picked or even opened with a key. Though this feature adds a moment of ease to the officer when unlocking them, they provide an ever-present compromise to the security of the restraints.

Just my thoughts,

Pastor Clyde

P.S. A picture showing the insides of the two locking modules and their differences will be uploaded soon. I'll return to put a link up to it.

Here's the link to the picture of the cuffs and the insides of the locking modules.

http://mighellsillusions.com/ASPPicPage.htm

Clyde
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On 2005-04-22 16:25, Living Illusions wrote:
My thought of a good product to compliment you ASP cuffs would be....another set of cuffs.


LOL- that was great! Smile


And Clyde, another job well done!

Cheers,
-Matt (TK)
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Another one bites the dust!!! ( in background, rock session )

and another one gone, and another one gone, ASP hits the dust

EEA, escapeing from these cuffs

In your show, escape from these cuffs da da da da da da, la la la la


You'd have to know the song another one bites the dust, then put my words to it!!

Perry

Great one Clyde!
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Wolflock
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Well Done Clyde. Glad we have you on our side.

Perry - Are you hearing music in your head again.

Regards
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Houdini man
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Yes, I'm in the band!!!!

P
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Wow, I ordered these back in January just ahead of the halt and am still waiting for the cuffs. I just wrote to the distributor to ask what is going on, and they were apologetic and promised me delivery within six weeks. Since they were so nice I won't name them here.

To bad I didn't manage to get a set of the "soft" ones.

Yours,

Paul
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Paul,

Some folks are still selling the 'soft' ones on ebay if you are interested (not me). Hope this helps,

Clyde
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