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Dayle
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Hello. Are there CD's of copyright free music available? If so, where might I find one? Also, are songs protected under copyright laws forever or do they enter the public domain after so many years? Does the same go for classical music?

Thanks!

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There are many cds under the name music for magicians but they mostly come across as bad songs they are royalty free.

I believe I have seen some "music for magicians" CDs in Magic Magazine.

They do have other titles.

Be carefull the music is royalty free for a reason (it's not to good) but you can find the rare gem here and there.

Not to sure about the rules and regs on using other peoples songs but I will say stay away from current stuff I use cds I bought in shops all the time no

I have always wondered about karaoke CDs how they get the music with no words- do they need permission?

Good luck I'll be interested in other posts in this topic.

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Dayle:

For copy right free music you can check out this site:

http://www.opus1productions.com/

There is also copyright free music CD's available now at many magic shops or web sites.

If you cannot find any you like consider this:

1) If you are performing at a theatre proper, they more than likely hold a SOCAN (in Canada) licence to allow music in their theatre and therefore it is not necessary for you to obtain one. You can find SOCAN at http://www.socan.ca

2) If you are performing in any other venue or a theatre that does not carry a SOCAN licence, then, by law, you are required to obtain a SOCAN licence for each performance. If there is music in your act, then this includes everything from birthday parties to corporate shows. I believe the fee for this is about $35.00 per performance. This fee is applicable if you are a variety act (magician) and music is played only as background or incidental to the performance.

If they know about the performance, expect SOCAN to send you an invoice even after you have purchased a licence following the performance. They will be looking for gate receipts and they will ask you to pay a percentage of these as well as a fee. Simply send them a copy of your licence and that will be the end of it. If you do not have the licence and they send you the bill, expect to have to pay out.

I would hazard a guess that many magicians ignore this law (at their own peril).
The licence is easy to acquire and it is the ethical thing to do. You are after all using something that belongs to someone else. Wouldn't it be nice if a magician received payment for every routine they created that someone else was doing?

All the best,

Rob
Posted: Jan 24, 2005 2:44pm
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Dayle,

The following comes from the SOCAN web site and I think answers some of your other questions.

Q: How long does it (copyright) last?
A:Copyright generally lasts for 50 years after the author (or the last surviving author) dies, however there are exceptions.

Q: What is "public domain"?
A: A work (including a song) falls into the public domain when the copyright has expired. After that time, anyone has the right to record it, copy it, modify it, adapt it and generally use it without obtaining permission. Of course, any new arrangement or adaptation of the work may give rise to a copyright claim.

Good luck,

Rob
Dayle
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Thanks for all the great info! That's a good point David. I'm not sure about Karaoke music myself but it might be nice to get the songs without the singing!

Thanks for the links Rob. I will definately check them out!

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Rob,

I just read your last post! I think it's best to play it safe. Why risk it with all the trouble you could get in. I wouldn't want anyone stealing my work so I'm not going to do it to someone else!

Thanks again.

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Bill White (he has a website) sells CDs of excellent royalty free music for magicians.

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Dayle
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Thanks! I did a search and found he has a number of CD's available.

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Q: How long does it (copyright) last?
A:Copyright generally lasts for 50 years after the author (or the last surviving author) dies, however there are exceptions.


On this point, under American law, the SOCAN site is wrong. The current duration of copyright protection is 70 years after the death of the author. There are a bunch of exceptions to this rule (like work for hire) but 50 years is no longer the basic time frame.
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Dayle
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Hmmm...in 70 years (or even 50 for that matter) I predict that I will be too old to be performing and won't need music for 'commercial use' anymore. Wow! My first feat of mentalism!

Thanks for the information!

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Your best bet to go to the local computer store and buy a program that makes music. Invest in the 50-100 buck and make your own music and taylor it to your show!
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Go to http://www.ArthurStead.com His music is great! He is a composer who loves magic. Arthur isn't your normal little composer. His clients include Shania Twain, Michael Bolton, Peter Frampton, Burger King, Cyndi Lauper, Aerosmith, The Muppets, AT&T, Jefferson Starship, Cher, Steven Spielberg, and many more!
Dayle
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Magicray80, do you know some software titles that allow you to make your own music?

Creative Coach, those are some pretty big clients! I'm impressed. His music must be great.

Thanks for all the ideas.

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On 2005-01-24 17:22, Dayle wrote:
Hmmm...in 70 years (or even 50 for that matter) I predict that I will be too old to be performing and won't need music for 'commercial use' anymore.


Actually, its 70 years from THE AUTHOR'S DEATH, not 70 years from creation. In other words, a looooooong time. The U.S. Supreme Court recently heard a case regarding the length of copyright; many people believe 70 years after the author's death to be an unconstitutionally long time (the Constitution, which give the congress power to enact copyright laws, says that copyright should be granted only for "limited times.") Others, notably former Motion Picture of America president, Jack Valenti, has said that eternity minus a day would qualify as a “limited time.” The Supreme Court held the 70-year post-mortem rule was within Congress’s power, and American copyright duration still remains one of the longest in the world.

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Dayle
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Actually I find that interesting. I think I can understand their position, if I created a song would I EVER want it unprotected by copyright? Probably not!

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Bill White's music is made specifically for magicians. I have two of them and believe me they are good. He is also a very good musician himself and plays all of the instruments on all the tracks.

I'm not sure on why this conversation has gone way off into copyright, but give Bill a try. Tell him I sent you. We used to chat a lot at another magic chat site.

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I own a LOT of copyright free music. You won't go wrong with Arthur Stead's music. Where most have 2 or 3 tracks that are usable, Arthur's are ALL usable. And there not the synthsiser (?) stuff either that a guy designed on his home computer. Check the site. I think you can preview some tracks.

John
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There's also Valentino's (I think they are still in business) and others who sell royalty free music that is used in productions, commercials, etc.

Royalty free does NOT mean bad. The White CD's are a good example of this. If you buy the tracks from a company such as Valentino's you pay handsomely up front which covers the individual performance fees you micght incur.

Most performing venues have a license with ASCAP and BMI for music performed in those venues. A karaoke bar pays a fee to these organizations each month for permission to use the music in their establishment. Same for bars with jukeboxes, DJ's, live bands, etc. Each has a particular amount they pay.

Check with the venue before using music. Their license agreement, if any, might allow you to use your music with no hassles.
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Go to Google. Type in "Buy-out Production Music." Be prepared to listen to a lot of demos. Some good, some very bad. From experience, I won't spend more than twenty or thirty minutes reviewing music; it turns your mind to mush.

Good luck in your quest.
David Bilan
Posted: Jan 28, 2005 10:27pm
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That's twenty or thirty minutes at a time.
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While I wouldn't dare compare it to a composition by an actual human, the program GarageBand does an excellent job of putting together high-quality tracks. I think it would me more than acceptable for many uses. See http://www.apple.com/garageband
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I also know that David Guftason also put out a very good royalty CD for magicians. It was the best I have seen out there by far. It was called, "Defying the Laws of Physics". It still might be available. I am not sure. It was a great CD.

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I'm a professional musician/producer who has two CDs out of world/new age/rock fusion music with international distribution. You can hear some samples at http://www.ReelsMusicc.om. I've also been a composer/producer for TV and radio commercials, etc., and as a magician also, have long considered recorded some music just for magicians.

I probably should start a new thread on this, but I'd love to hear EXACTLY what you are looking for...lengths of pieces, moods, instrumentation, etc.

What would you love to have that you can't find now?

Would you want it on CDs or MP3s?

If there is a need for some more music for magicians, I'll be happy to release some copyright-free stuff very soon.
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