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How can you say skateboarding is not an art? I consider anything that anybody does as a form of self expression an art, just because skateboarding is a sport too shouldn't automatically exclude it from the catagory of art aswell. Boxing, Iverson driving and splitting defenders on the way to the hoop, that's art my friend. Competition between yourself and another party is what can turn your art or any art into a sport. Be it a display of skills with a deck of cards, or a display of skills with a skateboard, or a display of skills with a basketball or with one's hands in boxing, it is all art to me.
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Sorry about the post up above. I didn’t realize I wrote it until I compared writing samples. with my own

Thanks for all the feedback though, from everyone. I’m glad I’m not alone. Here is a quote I find very relevant to this topic:

Sweet and bitter, cold and warm-just as surely as do the colors, all these things exist exclusively in opinion, and not in reality.

-Democrituts


Jamil hit it all right on the head. He’s very observant. Maybe he is De’vo. It’s hard to tell. I do however have one comment that I disagree with:

“A second hander like Fingerjack does not seem to fathom that the players he ridicules are producing enduring works of art and having a real influence on many, many people. You can do XCM for others if you want, but unlike magic, the main reason you do it is to do it.”

I fathom a portion of that perfectly, and the passion for what you or I do is not to be judged by you or anyone else. How can you speak for the passion of hundreds if not thousands of people? You have no idea of what my passion is or where it lies. You seem to assume that those that have been banned from SUPERHANDZ do not share this passion and cannot comprehend it. It is thinking like this that fueled the post in the first place, which as Kevin pointed out, is SATIRE. I ridiculed no one that I don’t have respect for, despite the petty disagreements. Parody is a form of flattery, at least in America. I am well aware of everyone’s “enduring works of art,” as they have become the tools of my trade as well, but some need to be taken with a grain of salt in my opinion, because with some of it comes poison. Poison pointed right at the very roots that we all stem from. One look through this forum is proof.

And I would ascertain that everyone who does magic does it for themselves before they do it for an audience, just like skateboarding, juggling, race car driving, whatever. We all do things we like first and foremost for ourselves. Only a person who despises his own art or hobby and is forced to do it to make a living is an exception, and I don’t really know anyone like that, and if I did, I would pity them. To assume that magicians only do magic for other people and XCMers only do it for themselves it almost laughable, especially considering the amount of videos that XCMers post on the Internet for the entire world to see (isn’t that a bit ironic?) The true XCM who did it only for him or herself WOULD NEVER bother setting up a camera to film themselves. AM I the only one that shares this opinion?

And what is exactly is a second hander? Someone who has not released a DVD? Someone without a bunch of followers? Someone who has little red balls in their pocket that they use to entertain terminally ill children and the elderly among others? I’m not sure whether I should be insulted or complimented. Either way, I can take it. I got more important things to do like struggle with my mid life crisis. Thanks and best regards to all.

“No one knows the true passion of a man except he who realizes it deep in his own heart”

Who the frig was that guy? I don't think that was me.
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And I would ascertain that everyone who does magic does it for themselves before they do it for an audience, just like skateboarding, juggling, race car driving, whatever. We all do things we like first and foremost for ourselves. Only a person who despises his own art or hobby and is forced to do it to make a living is an exception, and I don’t really know anyone like that, and if I did, I would pity them. To assume that magicians only do magic for other people and XCMers only do it for themselves it almost laughable, especially considering the amount of videos that XCMers post on the Internet for the entire world to see (isn’t that a bit ironic?) The true XCM who did it only for him or herself WOULD NEVER bother setting up a camera to film themselves. AM I the only one that shares this opinion?


Or maybe they do it for themselves. They just set up the videos so other people can praise them, thus making themselves feel better and not so insecure with themselves. But, that's just a theory.

I tried getting into flourishing. I went to the superhandz forums a few times and never went back. Why? Because they would rather insult eachother and fight with stupid and childish arguments that have nothing to do with the subject. They ban people when they give their oppinion and that's stupid. A friend of mine who is into flourishes, recently said that he didn't like De'vo's music cd. Not because he felt it was bad, but rather because he just isn't into techno music. People insulted him and told him he was a bad person for not liking it. That's stupid. Why would anyone insult their own fans? Many of the "extreme" card manipulators are probably thinking, "boo ya g money I wouldnt wan that 2nd rate g thang hangin round our forumz n e way." Like jack, I don't know whether I would be insulted or complimented by that. All I know is I like the Café because people help eachother and don't ban people for no reason. They also don't put z's instead of s's because they think it looks cool.

I'm not insulting flourishers, if you like them, then good for you. But I would rather people understand that they're not the greatest thing since sliced bread because what they do they concider extreme and elite. So instead of fighting, help eachother. As for me, my red balls are getting lonely, instead of fighting with people on a message board that I've never met, I'm going to go out and perform because it makes me and my audience feel good.
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I want to commend you guys on your posts. These were well-written and very interesting. You would never see this on the Handlordz Forum.
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At least not when you were there. RKZAD Mr. hypocrite. He was a mod at HL and got banned. Easy to talk about those you can't hang with.

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This is not the place for this, Cardjinx. I was a mod at HL until I started deleting posts in the Player Haters forum, which I hated. That shows what kind of person I am, and what the owners of the Handlordz Forum are like.

Give proof of me being a hypocrite. You can call me all the names you want but people know better.

Your reputation is being hurt every second by your OWN actions.
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Is anyone not banned from the HL forum? I don't think I am.... but then again I haven't checked it for a while.
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Rkzad,

honestly, what was the point of having the PH2 forum anyway? I mean, nobody would have ever been able to see it.
"Never argue with an idiot...those who are watching may not be able to tell the difference..."

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I wasn't a mod during PH2. I was a mod a long time ago (maybe a year ago?) back during the original player haters forum. That one was visible to the public. My mod days were also shortlived, possibly for a week or two weeks.
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Got it. So Richard, are you gonna start hanging out at TCC or do XCM/flourish independantly now?
"Never argue with an idiot...those who are watching may not be able to tell the difference..."

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I won't be a regular at TCC or TMC or HL. I have bigger plans Smile I don't want to leak much out yet, but it will be a while since I want to do it right the first time.
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Jamil, why start this argument on a thread like this?

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On 2005-01-25 10:35, Jamil wrote:
Magic is an art, but it primarily an entertainment art. XCM is an art, but is primarily an art of doing, rather than showing or watching.


I'd have to disagree as well. Magic and flourishing are both performance arts. Of course people who do magic or flourish do so because they love it. I myself get restless if I don't have cards/pens/chips/something to play with. But if I never showed people the stuff I've learned, more than half the fun would be gone.
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Hehe... you're a good man, Charlier Bro- I mean, Richard.

Sad thing is, in calling rich a hypocrite, Jinx becomes one... worst case of irony I've seen in a LONG time. Burr... so much is taken fro granted nowadays. Sad, sad, sad.

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This thread is by FAR the most reasonable discussion (which is NEVER present in any of the other threads in Pasteboard frolics, or in the HL forum thanks to *certain* people) flourish-wise that I've seen in a long time. Props to Fingerjack for the light-hearted portrayal of the current flourish/XCM scene, David Ranalli, rkzad, kxxcheng and all the others who have been sensible in their posts. You guys echoed my thoughts exactly. Amen to that!

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Smile Smile I cannot add much. All had been echoed.lol.

Peace to all. I love flourishes as much as I love watching magic.

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Hehehe... now, the REAL PF conspiracy begins Smile

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I have taken a second look at Mr. Jack's little "story" and realised thad it is actually quite funny. Im sorry for being a joy-killer and will stop this nonsense. Think I'll even read it again! You are a really creative guy man!
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Fingerjacks story would be a funny script for a video, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/jonashaglund < Card flourishes and some other stuff.
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I thought about it and now I guess I should of realised how right you guys really are. ***, finger's post cracked me up. LOL Never thought about De' in that way before...LOL. Now I guess I know the truth. LOL Finger, keep it up boi.

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Wow!!!! This was great... This actually helped out a lot... I'm like brand new to this forum and HL.. And I just got Banned from HL for posting up on this forum that it doesn't make sense to put out an underground DVD with a "Secrecy Agreement" and then let people buy multiple copies. I wasn't trying to insult anyone... I thought I was just stating the obvious. But now I realize I walked into one big soap opera. I mean the HL site has all these post actually calling out names of magicians, then he says to his mods and admin, to straighten up there act and junk, and there is just way too much conflict.
Maybe it's best that I did get banned, it's no biggie to change my IP and create a new user ID, but I don't think I wanna participate in a forum with so much conflict. Don't get me wrong I'm still going D/L all the videos... the things you guys can do is just amazing... I gotta learn all those moves..

Well I'm sorry for bringing up a month old topic,

But my question is where can I get all the re-runs of this never ending story.. how did all the agruements with magicians and XCM'ers start.. and who are those twin guys, and who's Brian Tudor, And When is it my Turn to be De'vo, and where's bone, well, I guess there's a million of questions.

Maybe I shouldn't sweat any of it, and just get back to practicing.

Anyhoo... THANKS JACK!

HEY, maybe I just got banned cuase they thought I was You... there's a conspiracy.
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