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Jonathan P.
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Hi,
I am a magician and I wondered about the way in which, you who aren't magicians, perform your manipulations with an audience watching. Do you only performs amongst friends, or do you have some kind of "shows"? And, if you have, how does it work? How do you build up an act, and s.o.
I am not trying to tease anyone here, and I am not trying to start another polemique between "magician" and "XCManipulator" of any kind. (I think I'd better say that, just in case...)
But I really wonder...
Thanks to all.
Jonathan.

PS. Personnaly, I like to throw a fancy cut between two magic effects, or to spin a card, or to "hot shot reveal" a card during my peformance. I'd love to be able to show a pasteboard-Cobra-attack but, well, there are only 24h a day...
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How come there is nobody posting and answering such a good question?

If I reply, it doesn't mean I claim to be an XCMer. The fine line between a magician and an open manipulator (I simply can’t accept the term XCM) is a hard one to balance. For me personally, I have always liked pizzazz and fancy feats of skill with cards, particularly the classic style a la Cardini and others. I understood both sides of the argument as to whether flourishing impairs the magical effect or vice versa. I have chosen in my performance style to be an exhibition of both skill and magic with playing cards, and surrounding each effect is the history and mystery found within them. Yes you can have a routine that has an ambitious card, a mental effect, a gambling demonstration and close up manipulative act (with or without music). These things are possible with the right performance style and attitude. I don’t try to come off as snobby or superior, just sharing the fun and wonder of the pasteboards, and a D-A-M-N lot of fingerfertigkeit.

Incidentally, my favorite routine appears to be manipulative, but is actually magical in method. I usually close with this and here is a suggestion I give to all that those that tread these waters; do all your fancy flourishes at the END of whatever card routine you are doing. Leave this the last thing they see and will remember, and don’t poison your other card magic by demonstrating you have great manipulative skills before you bring their signed card to the top of the deck. Careful routining is the key.

I switch out for a full stacked poker routine (Giobbi’s brilliant DER TRAUM DER FALSCHSPLIELER) and throughout the five phase routine I perform every fancy move and flourish that I know (and can do well). I tell them I am stacking poker, blackjack and bridge hands, and I deal ‘em out as fancy as they come (mostly learned in EOPCF). Watching aces and blackjacks fall out to me in the deal is just as shocking to them as the way the cards are being pitched, dealt, shuffled, and spun through the air. You got them cheering out each card as they fall! Mixed with some fancy cuts and flourishes (naturally retaining stack always) it ends dealing out four grand slams in a game of bridge. To the spectator it does truly it appear I am a master with a deck of cards, but in the real world I’m just someone who had thought it out, practiced a lot, and used moves and ideas published and inspired by others to convey a piece of entertainment. That's what artists do; they use the best tools available to convey their art and themselves.

My point is; it can by done. But I suppose their should be some reason to the rhyme. Does the trick call for a flourish? Would it disrupt your routine? Does it suit it personality? Think these things through.

For a true XCM routine, I wouldn’t know. You will have to let some Superhandz expert help you out on performance tips. They only suggestion I can give is: be yourself. Let the cards be a reflection of YOU and not some move or patter you learned someplace else. Music is helpful…and good routining.

Sorry to have blabbered on….good luck!
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I've only been performing XCM for about a year now, and I can't claim to be on the level of some of the guys at superhandz, but I do perform for people at parties that I go to and such. I give my presentation thing when everyones just lying around chilling. I usually start out by talking about card handling and such, while shuffling the deck with plain old riffle shuffles. Then I ask them if they want to learn some moves, and invariably one or two people will want to try. I take them and show them a basic charlier pass slowly and let them try it. If they manage to do it it will invariably be slow and messy. Then I take it and say, "yea, that's the idea, now if we do this a little faster," and start going faster, "and in two hands," and divide the deck and start moving back and forth, "then you get something that's quite interesting (I believe this idea of establishing the difficulty of the moves was gone into in some detail by De'vo in one of his previous posts). Most people are quite enthralled by this point, and I move on through different moves showing off things like fans and armspreads and such, leading up to more difficult moves like tudors WTF and the CTG routine.

The main thing to remember is to take it slow, milk each move for what you can, and gradually build up the difficulty. I might start trying to put together something more along the lines of a parlour show or whatever, but just by improvising in this way I can keep people entertained for a good hour.

Another thing I throw in is stuff relating to poker, as its so popular these days. This is where I'd draw the line if your doing a "pure xcm" performance, and I could easiliy continue without this, but that distinction only really matters around those who know something about the art; laymen couldn't give a ***. I use magical techniques with it (passes and face down erdnase changes can give you a great poker cheating routine without having to learn culling and such) but I start going into that territory when I'm well into my performance so everything comes off as being pure skill.

I hope this starts to answer your question.
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Mabee Cardjinx will pop up and talk about it?? he seems to know every move that was created in a small village and published in german about 50 yrs ago..
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What I do is, combining different arts.

I do some Contact Juggling, some Poi Spinning, and some XCM. I have a pretty funny story for my contact juggling, as I can say so for myself. It's with those crystal like balls, you know, and the story is about me going to a future-teller, using that ball.

Anyway, I have a story about me going to a casino, and than I do some XCM, and I end with some poi. I don't have a story for that, I just say "now something cool" lol.

The main point is like Johnw188 said, starting slow and working to a climax. The example of teaching the charlier is perfect, and I have similar concepts to the other two arts. I can fill a lot of time, without manipulating 30 minutes of an hour. I have 5 minutes routines, poi a little shorter, and noone ever complained I talked to much Smile

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Jonas
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Imperistan, going to a future teller playing with his little transparent balls?
Hmm, I´m starting to see similarities between Magic and XCM here. LOL

I was in the mall
Heard a old lady call
For me across the hall
Stood there playing with her little blank ball.

The story goes on
She said I´d never get a son
I picked up her little balls
Doing some Xtreme rolls

She gone all mad jumping all around the place
Then I suddenly felt a hot feeling all over my face
She started screaming, running after me like a race.
She then put a spell on me, she burned my face.
Xtreme Ways.

That´s some presentation for you Imp.

Use it wisely and play with those little blank balls well.
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I never show XCM moves to a layman and I never blend it in myagic. I only do it when fellow magicians are around. It sort of gives you an edge among them.
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Imperistan
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Lol lol that is a good one harwin.
haha I really gotta use that.
And how do you know about my xtreme scars? j/k.

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Haha Imperistan, good that you didn´t get offended by it, afraid you would take it the wrong way. Smile
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Hehe, I'm not getting offended by anyone. It's just internet and I want peace. lol

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Hi guys, quite new to the forums and I am only 14 so I've been doing magic for 7 years.I can do most of De'vos stuff, including the cobra and king cobra however I do not think that XCM is as exciting as magic. I have a XCM show and a close-up and stage magic show and I much prefere the magic shows. this is mainly because, in XCM everybody is watching your hands and you do the flourishes to the music. This is extremely hard, you only have to do one tiny weeny thing wrong and the whole act goes to pot. however, in magic you can do a flourish in the middle of a trick and mess it up and no one cares. if you do pull the move off everybody thinks you are even more amazing. It is a win win situation. Magic wins handz down.

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Well, you can't really say which is better.. either way, I basically do what the other guys were saying, work up your crowd. Its a good way to make them think your an expert with cards. If you do a normal cobra and point out that the card is balenced and that your going to throw it up and catch it, they just go... whoash
Stick to the classics,

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I have never at all seen a Xtreme Card Manipulator work at a gig so I cant judge, all I can say is that magic gets a great reaction when I perform it, but Xtreme Card Manipulators can also off course have success when they do shows, with proper presentation you can make pretty much anything entertaining, even chewing chairs, whoever does that.
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Use build up
Don't act like your better than anyone (showoff)
dress appropriate
Audience participation
music, lights, stage setup (depending if ur at a stage or close up)
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I have a half hour stage show of XCM...trust me it can be done

Trick- in XCM we are no where NEAR limited to just performing moves to music. There are so many possibilities out there. Another thing is to have outs for XCM just as magicians do with tricks some times. We just happen to utilize more outs because of the technicalities involved.

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