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illuzns
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I use to do the muscle pass all the time about 10 years ago while doing the Anti-gravity coin.Since then the only other thing I've read or heard about in using this is the coins through glass table top.(I don't remember whose routine this was, but I thought it was very clever.)Does anyone else use it for another effect?
Joe Mauro
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I always carry a coin to do this. It's a good attention getter and fun to practise.
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I like to do, then 'demo' the muscle pass, and announce that it's the move I use for my coin tricks. I then go on to do flipper coin, sun&moon, and Copp/silv/brass. And everyone is watching for the move, but of course, they never catch it. And I've heard people say "Man! That pass is quick!"
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I have an entire routine built around the muscle pass ,combined with a vew vanishes and productions. It is the highlight of my close up show....
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Shoot Ogawa used one at least once in his lecture at the KC IBM convention. He's freaking amazing! He didn't use it for the standard "coin falling up" gag though, I had no idea he'd done it til he tipped it during the explanation bit of the lecture.

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I love using it to show the coin falling up. I did it at work 3 or 4 months ago and the guys there still remember it.
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There's a coin through glass table top in the Kaufman book "Coinmagic" by John Cornelius, where the coin lands in the spectator's hand! I believe it must be a killer effect.
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On 2005-02-06 04:05, The Mighty Fool wrote:
I like to do, then 'demo' the muscle pass, and announce that it's the move I use for my coin tricks. I then go on to do flipper coin, sun&moon, and Copp/silv/brass. And everyone is watching for the move, but of course, they never catch it. And I've heard people say "Man! That pass is quick!"


You expose it? Why would you do this? Why in hell would you tell them that you use any move at all? What??????????????
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Thanks magicw/hart - you beat me to it. Exposing this is unacceptible. I understand your thinking, mighty fool, but you need to respect the fact that many of us use this professionally.

I hope you are just joking or trying to start trouble. I can't imagine anyone who spent the long, long hours it takes to learn this wanting to exposing it.
Leeman
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I expose the move in a way by showing that the coin falls up. I am basically showing the move but not calling it a move.
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Actually M.P. is not for a beginner magician cos you really need to practice it hard before you can achieve it. Atleast with Mighty Fool feedback I got an idea how to make my routine longer..
illuzns
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Thanks for the return posts. I believe that this is truly one of the best coin sleights a magician can keep in his repitoire. I must agree that it is definitely not one of those things we should tip off in any way to the lay person. Johnny Fox does a real nice bit with this.I use to watch him perform it at the Maryland Renn. Fest. all the time.What a killer effect when done well.Sounds like Mr.Eubanks routine would be great to see. Thanks for all the posts.
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I've been practicing for about 2 years now, and took me until about last month to finally get it about 6 inches at the most. I do this sometimes (even though it's not a far 'jump') and I get killer reactions. Shoot Ogawa uses the muscle pass in a couple of different ways on one of the Cultural Xchange videos (can't remember which one...). One ruotine uses a coin and a purse frame, and the other is a coin routine in which he uses the Muscle Pass to vanish a coin. A great skill indeed. Good luck!


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I use it for a variety of different effects, if you want to learn effects using the muscle pass, shoot ogawa has two dvds, the one I remember are shooting kennedy in the first dvd cultural exchange, and coins to glass which is in the second cultural exchange.
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I was watching one of the poker shows on television and one of the players was doing this with poker chips. He also had some of the other players doing it as well.
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On 2005-02-19 16:07, RS1963 wrote:
He also had some of the other players doing it as well.

He showed them and they learned it during a poker game?? It took me 6 mnths just to make it "flip" over!!
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I already addressed this in another thread, but here goes again:

I don't EXPOSE the MP, by doing it slow-mo or describing the steps, I simply start by saying that I'm going to do some quick moves with coins, then I do some MS's and sylvester pitches...demonstrating how I can move coins about without the audience's detection. Again, with the Sylevester move, at no time do I EXPOSE it by doing it from the wrong angle, or explaining the exact mechanics. Now, I understand Magic/wHart's queation of "why would I admit to a move at all", but there is a sound strategey to this......When some (many actually) people watch S.O.H. effects, they are looking like hawks for the 'secret move' or the 'gimmik'. In my experience, gimmiks are a lot easier to get caught with than sleights, SOOOO....I set them up with the idea that I have numerous fast moves which I use for the effects, and this has them TOTALLY looking in the wrong direction.
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On 2005-02-20 05:14, The Mighty Fool wrote:


I don't EXPOSE the MP, by doing it slow-mo or describing the steps, I simply start by saying that I'm going to do some quick moves with coins, then I do some MS's and sylvester pitches...demonstrating how I can move coins about without the audience's detection.


IMHO all this does is create a challenge they can't solve. I try to hide my slieghts and make it appear as though the MAGIC just happens. Telling them you are doing "quick moves" will not create wonder just leave them saying the guy was quick with his hands.
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On 2005-02-06 16:21, Mercury52 wrote:
Shoot Ogawa used one at least once in his lecture at the KC IBM convention. He's freaking amazing! He didn't use it for the standard "coin falling up" gag though, I had no idea he'd done it til he tipped it during the explanation bit of the lecture.

Kevin


It is also in the cultural exchange 2 dvd. Awsome!

Rannie
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Those poker player idiots are ruining this move for those of us who use it. This is exposure of the worse kind. I've had seveal people say - "oh you can shoot the coin like those poker players showed on tv."

What a shame.
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