Hi guys, I have been working on this for awhile, but I am wondering how you guys pull this off naturally. Do people not suspect anything even after they hear the snap... are you supposed to perform it in front of them, or off to the side in order to get the break, and THEN perform the lift? Also, if we are fliping only a single card, should we make the same motion? Thanks.

While daryl does it wonderfully on his tapes, he always seems to need misdirection *snapping his fingers* to take the heat off it.

Why use it when there are much more natural *and often easier to perform* double lifts out there?

This is my primary method of executing a DL. I think you'll find that after you spend some time with the move, there are ways to "quiet" the snap. And yes, you should turn over a single in the same manner. I prefer the LJ snap Double because it's easy enough to find a "downbeat" in talking to your audience to do the move, and I've never been caught doing it, although I don't "snap" the cards anymore unless the noise is specific to something in the trick. That snap is a tell that something has gone on. And just like anything else, attitude is important. If you look guilty, then they're going to suspect something.

I've been using this method since Jennings published it, and it looks completely natural.

Isn't the purpose of the snap double to have a snap. It should be a crisp snap like a single card would make.

Dave

Yeah that's what I thought to.


Eric

I find the need to thumbcount the cards a bit suspicious. If I use a "no get ready" DL, then I don't have to worry about misdirecting away from my thumbcounting for the snap double.

The snap IS the purpose of the double! Sheesh. You snap the card over-- sounds nice.

peace.

The *snap* doesn't refer to the turn-over. Rather it refers to the sound made as the double is released on the long edge by the fingertips as the cards cantilever over the index finger that has been inserted into the gap formed under the short edge of the double by the rolling of the thumb just following the thumb count.

Does that make any sense? I'm afraid to read what I wrote.

:j

hmm after reading it a couple of times it does although I dont think he meant it that way...

how do you make the snap silent??

All that I can say is that I love this double! While it is not currently my preferred method (I use the Dingle Double), I do find myself using it from time to time, since there was a time not too long ago when it was my workhourse double.

Keep mind that the key to this double is to do the thumb count when your attention is off the deck (i.e. while pattering), and the snap occurs as you bring your attention back to the deck to turn the card over. I hope this helps.

Is the Dingle Double where you contact the outer edge of the cards with your third finger and spin the double out with a snap pivoting the card off your thumb base?

If so, I do something quite similar which I think is the Knockout Double but I'm not sure. It is very good. I don't use my third finger. I use my second finger.

The LJ snap double is one of the easier to learn but does require the thumbcount which takes away from its usefulness a bit.

Does anyone know the knockout double enough to describe how it's done?

Yes, that's the DD double, a stud-style turnover-with-a-snap, no get ready. I love it.

You can do the move right under their noses, it does't matter, the secret is that firsly you thumb count one, if they see this card pop up, thats ok as only one has popped up and you hace just told them that their card has come to the top, then as you go to take it, you can take it by its upper left corner, that way under the cover of the right fingers you can let another card count off the thumb, simple!After the double I would normally go into a revolution spin to stress its singularity.

Hi mikkpe,

On 2002-09-19 20:22, mikkpe wrote:

I learnt the LJ Snap DL from Daryl's Ambitious Card video. His point about snapping the left fingers at the moment the cards snap clear of the right fingertips is emphatic. It is impossible to snap the fingers of your right hand while turning over a double. I've never read L. Jennings description of his Snap DL, so I can only defer to Daryl's teaching of the sleight. Either (a) you are incorrect, or (b) Daryl M. is incorrect.

By the way, Daryl's advice about not curling the left index finger under the deck during the thumbcount is excellent, as most magicians will recognize that finger position as a thumbcount tell.

Antio,
:Jim

I always thought that the "snap" sound was the whole Idea. I do the Finger snap to misdirect away from the Thumb count and then the "Snap" of the cards to dramatically direct their attention back to the card. The card they know wasn't on top a second ago has now Snapped back there.

Cheers

Andy

The "SNAP" is the idea, but honestly, how many times do you snap when executing a double? In Ambitious? But what about other routines? Again, as I've said before in other posts, it's all about what works for the performer. The mechanics behind the LJ Snap Double lend themselves very well to a silent execution of the move. And sometimes you do want the snap, but for me it's specific to a routine. If I'm snapping everytime I turn over a double, it becomes a tell that something is happening. Again, it's not gospel, just my preferred way of doing it. And it must work fine because it goes unnoticed everytime that I do it.

I always felt that couting cards, whether it be pinky, side thumb or back thumb was always too risky. No matter how you do it, if some one wants to stare at your hands, it isnt worth being accused of couting cards. I stick with a hit double as the couting is so open and bold (and quickly done ) that no one sees it.

What's a hit double?

Euan

A hit double, you know, like a strike double?