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On 2005-02-10 00:46, MagicMan1957 wrote:
I;ll bet if we asked Bill Malone, Lennart Green, Jay Sankey, Jamy Ian Swiss, Max Maven, Eugene Burger etc etc how often people ask to CLOSELY EXAMINE thier cards after performing the answer would be rarely.


....but whenever I perform, they (spectators) always ask me to show the cards (to each and every one) BEFORE, DURING & AFTER the performance. They just don't TRUST ME!!! Smile

....I think it depends on WHO's PERFORMING for WHOM Smile Smile

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There are many other kinds of gimmicks which would be noticed even by a lay audience if it weren't for misdirection. The misdirection I use when I perform any effect is (1) I look directly at an individual's eyes when performing close-up one on one. This is a strong misdirection. (2)For more than one person, or for parlor or stage, I use humor. When people are laughing, they are not as observant. This even works when you perform for magicians who instinctively "burn your hands". Lay audiences are totally different. I have never been "caught" using the Lesley deck and I feel confident that I never will. My favorite card magic, though, is when I use a straight deck (even a borrowed deck) and perform using nothing but slight of hand and misdirection. The audience can look forever, then, and never find a gimmick. I still use the humor and eye contact, though, so any 'moves' are hidden. Hey, this is why magic is an art-form.
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I'll tell ya what guys, The Ted Lesley system is great.... BUT........ The Boris Wild Marked Deck (A ripoff of the lesley one) is bloody brilliant, it almost identical to the lesley deck, except the marking for the court cards and aces are a lot easier to read. And seriosuly I go with everyone here that when someone first showed me the lesley deck I sat thee for 15 minutes trying to figure out where these marking were. I had NO CLUE. I have fooled soo many magicians and laymen with the lesley deck and the wild deck. Ive used em for about 5 years now.
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You said you sat there for 15 minutes and didn't see any markings was the deck premade or was the markings but on by that person with a Do-It-yourself marking kit, did that person finality tell you were the markings were and if so where were they located at. On my premade deck when the marking are in the upright position they are located off center to the left and the markings are out in the open not hidden or disuise or camouflage kind of sticking out like a sore thumb or like their staring right at you, were not talking about weird strange or off the wall markings here.

At this point I'm wondering if the deck that I have is bad.

ComedyAndThenTheMagic you think I can PM you a picture of one of my marked cards and tell me if you can see the markings. Or if the markings should not be where there at. Or for that matter anyone else.
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Actually, it sounds like your cards are marked exactly where they are supposed to be. Myself, I find it hard to believe that someone could actually be looking for marks on the back of the cards for 15 minutes and not see them. I had my 11 year old son look at the back of the cards and asked him if he saw anything unusual and it took him about 12 seconds to say "what is this "K" and "C" ?

Don't get me wrong, I use this deck, and I like it. Havent been caught yet, as I just ring it in and out of my performance as needed, I don't use it exclusively. And I don't think spectators will notice the marks at all. But it is a little hard to believe when I hear Magicians say that they had their fellow Magician friends look and look and could not find the marks!
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Ted Lesley even marketed a Jumbo version. Try it first for real people.
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On 2005-02-10 18:12, Comedy and then the magic wrote:
I'll tell ya what guys, The Ted Lesley system is great.... BUT........ The Boris Wild Marked Deck (A ripoff of the lesley one) is bloody brilliant, it almost identical to the lesley deck, except the marking for the court cards and aces are a lot easier to read. And seriosuly I go with everyone here that when someone first showed me the lesley deck I sat thee for 15 minutes trying to figure out where these marking were. I had NO CLUE. I have fooled soo many magicians and laymen with the lesley deck and the wild deck. Ive used em for about 5 years now.


The Boris Wild system is not actually a ripoff of the Lesley system. Ted is paid a royalty from Boris for each deck that he produces. He produces these cards with Ted's permission. I can't use the Wild system in my normal work, because I can't see the markings. But I have severe visual problems. A person with normal vision can use them.

I have been using the Lesley system for over 20 years, probably longer than anyone else on this forum. The only time I have ever been burned while using it is with a child. Children notice things adults don't. I did have one magician spot it, but he was familiar with the system.

For you fellows whose audiences are prone to grab the deck and fondle it, then you have a serious audience management problem. You need to learn how to handle your spectators. Part of it is self confidence. Another part is what we term "establishing boundaries." If you treat the cards casually, but treat the things you work with respectfully, people will not try to grab them.

If you can't control your audience, then you need to resort to a good deck switch. It doesn't have to be invisible. It can be done casually. You need to set it up way ahead of time.

Here is one technique. Do a trick with a normal deck. But remove the jokers from the deck before you hand it to a spectator to have them shuffle or handle the cards. At the end of the trick, put the jokers on the face of the deck -- quite openly, and place the deck back into the case. Put the cards aside, to your left, for example. While you are doing your next trick, or right before you start it, move the deck from your left to your right, as you bring out your props. Switch in the marked deck as you move the cards. The marked deck will have the jokers on the face of it.
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That is a great idea on a deck switch Bill. A great way to reinforce the idea that it is the same deck, but in such a subtle way. I like it.
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I used something similar to ring in a Devano deck.

I thought I would be nice and share it!
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I wasn't going to post on this thread, but then I felt compelled. Ray, you are right to go "What the hell..." when you looked at a Lesley deck for the first time. EVERYONE who sees the marks on a Lesley deck for the first time goes "What the hell..." It seems absolutely nuts (can you say "hell" on this site?). That said, I honestly think the Lesley deck is genius.

I recently reviewed a card marking system in the context of a book review for Genii, yet to be published. I didn't like it, and made the point that the truest "tell" that a magician is using marked cards is the manner in which he looks at the backs: the magician’s eyes are often in the wrong place, at the wrong moment, for too long a time. That's what alerts an audience to the fact that marked cards are being used – not because they see marks. The Lesley system allows those "tells" to vanish, and this can be exploited. I've seen many people/magicians fooled over the years, but never more so than by crafty use of the Lesley deck. Ray, you are right to think the marks are obvious - they are - but the breakthrough of Lesley's system was the discovery that obvious marks can be invisible to spectators. Ray, you are also right to think they can't work - this is what any thinking person would assume. Lesley surprised the magical world when he proved that the marks would not be seen in the context of a magical or mental effect. Don't toss out the deck! I'm sure many would prefer if you did, as the deck can be such a powerful professional tool and is the kind of thing that should not be exposed. Keep the secret and learn to use it, and it will pay dividends. The fact that it seems, at first, unglamorous, is meaningless - it's what you do with it. I've seen people look down their nose at a thumb tip (remember how obvious THAT thing was the first time it was exposed to you?), and seen pros do ten minutes of great magic with it.

I am glad to hear that Lesley and Boris Wild have reached an agreement, for I know that there was a time Mr. Lesley was upset with the state of affairs.
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Oh, and as far as deck switches go, try "forgetting" to tuck in the flap on the case of the deck being switched out, as well as the case of the one being switched in.
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On 2005-02-12 10:50, David Regal wrote:
...I honestly think the Lesley deck is genius.

...the truest "tell" that a magician is using marked cards is the manner in which he looks at the backs: the magician’s eyes are often in the wrong place, at the wrong moment, for too long a time. That's what alerts an audience to the fact that marked cards are being used – not because they see marks. The Lesley system allows those "tells" to vanish, and this can be exploited.


Very well said, David.

That's exactly THE point!

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I noticed something....a friend bought a deck of cards with the Ted Lesley Marking system already done (verses buying the kit and doing it yourself). His markings are considerably smaller than mine (which I marked myself). I actually like his markings better, still very visible, but a tad bit more deceptive. Anybody else notice this, or is his deck just a fluke?
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I have been using Boris Wild's version and have fried both laypeople as well as magicians. BTW so has Boris. He fried me at a 4F convention a few years ago and I bought his book just to learn the method. ( What can I say?) His routines are also so well thought out that you won't spend but a split second looking at the deck, and there are several routines where the spectator has the feeling that you never looked! I can only give it my highest recommendation and tell you that it is simply the best! His version is like having X-ray vision. I tortured a fellow magi friend one day for several hours before letting him in on it. He was furious! Then he bought the book and is now fooling the heck out of people as well. Give it a try. On second thought, don't consider it. Just kidding. One distinct difference in the Wild version is that the markings can be read from a normal table spread. An asset to the working pro. Hope this helps. Have a good one.
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On 2005-02-14 16:32, rowdymagi5 wrote:
I noticed something....a friend bought a deck of cards with the Ted Lesley Marking system already done (verses buying the kit and doing it yourself). His markings are considerably smaller than mine (which I marked myself). I actually like his markings better, still very visible, but a tad bit more deceptive. Anybody else notice this, or is his deck just a fluke?


I've bought the marking material and made my own decks, and I've always gotten the smaller markings. I got an older sheet in an online auction, and the markings on that sheet were bigger. So, I think they used to have a bigger size, but I believe that now all of the markings that are produced today are the smaller size, which I like better anyway.
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You also might consider rereading Sid Fleischman's The Charlatan's Handbook for a DIY method that allows you more personal control over the markings.
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Hello:

Anyone who has the "Ellis in Wonderland" DVD can pick up some nice touches with the Ted Lesley deck by watching the "Jazz Cards" segment. I thought Ellis' touches were just excellent.

I have the Boris Wild video/book and system and have found it hard to see, even with repeated practice. Maybe my eyes aren't as good as they once were. His routines and thinking are superb, though.

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Rayg1952:

There are two books on marked cards that I would suggest. Both books are soft bound and inexpensive. They are:

Marked for Life by Kirk Charles
Hidden in Plain Sight by Kirk Charles

I believe that the Marked for Life book as information about the Ted Lesley's Marked Deck system. The Hidden in Plain Sight book includes a special section on the Boris Wild Marked Deck.
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Does anyone know where to find the Lesley Marked Deck or book now?
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This new book for the "Ultimate Marked Deck" also looks interesting...

http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=S12214
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