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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2005-02-14 13:06, Dirko wrote: That is correct from a MAGICIAN'S stand point, but as I said before, from a MENTALIST'S point it is actually weaker. |
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Phaedrus Loyal user Mexico City 212 Posts |
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On 2005-02-14 13:36, dpe666 wrote: This is true if you play up the color change angle, but you could use the same handling to show that the spectator again picked the different color card. I always felt that the single revelation was a bit weak, more of a curiosity than an effect. Being a magician, I prefer to use the Daryl handling where all the cards seem to change color, but I can see how a mentalist might not want that effect. Still, doing it a second time with the spectator still picking the off-colored card would only enhance the effect, I think. |
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MagoStevo Elite user 478 Posts |
Just met Daryl not long ago in British Magical Society centenary,and he was performing his version at his dealer stand,....guess what?!the moment he finished that trick,almost every magician took out the wallet at the same time.........
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blpprt Regular user South Carolina 122 Posts |
I learned the 8 Card Brainwave from the Ammar tapes and from Daryl's presentation on Daryl's New Millennium World Tour Lecture Video where its a 3 phase routine. Dpe666 is right on. With Daryl's first phase, its a mentalism effect. After that, its a magic routine. Since I'm more of a magician than a mentalist, I decided to do the first 2 phases of Daryl's routine but couldn't bring myself to do the third phase which is a bit convoluted. The intent of the third phase is that the magician ends clean and the cards can be examined. I really LOVE the idea of ending clean but in this case it just wasn't worth it. It really detracts from the central idea of the effect...that the spectator is to select a certain predetermined card. With Daryl's 3rd phase...all of a sudden, the magician is trying to find cards that each of two spectators selected! If we use the test question "Can the effect be described in one sentence" I think the third phase fails. I even tried to streamline the 3rd phase but without satisfactory success.
Right now I have a wonderful 2 phase 8 Card Brainwave routine that I love to do. |
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ziatro Veteran user Havant, England 322 Posts |
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On 2005-02-12 06:18, dcobbs wrote: Exactly my thoughts. Well said |
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Erik J Elite user Sweden 417 Posts |
Hey, if you think that Olram Sublety isn't deceptive enough, try Lennart Green's Mirro Cound, it's on green magic 2 or 3, not sure whichone, 2 I think.
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monark Regular user Southern IN 162 Posts |
It's on Green Magic Vol 2., the only one I have (so far). It's a nice, convincing count. I hope to get at least 4 and maybe 5&6 when I get some more money!
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
See the effect "Predict-A-Wave" in my ebook "The King Has Left the Building...With Amnesia" for the ultimate Mentalism version involving spirit writing.
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e-man Special user HILTON HEAD,SC 880 Posts |
The Orlam Sublety,has been blowing by people for 30 years no one has ever question it.Thats what I love about it,Its a sublety...That slights them,Slay them.
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Stokesy New user Brisbane, Australia 25 Posts |
Lennart greens version is a lot more convincing, its more of a two handed olram, it fooled me for a minute. Even as a magician you have to really concentrate on what he is doing to pick it, well I did at least.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Just wanted to share the way I do this great little trick.
I begin as all of you do, but after the card is selected by the spec, I square the cards and casually turn them over in my hands (showing the back), and then face up again to do the Olram. I do it putting the cards onto the table without calling out the name of the color of the backs. I then scoop up the cards with the last card up into my hand squared-up, faced down. I use the top card to flip over the selected card, saying that it's the only card with a red back. What's seen in my left hand is a pack of face down cards with a blue back on top, and in my right hand is also a blue back card (that I just took off the top of the pack to flip over the selected card). The impression to the spec is definitely that all the cards are blue back, especially behind a very casual and confident Olram Subtlety to get them thinking that way to begin with. It works very well. Hope someone can use these tips. -MB
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leondo Special user Las Vegas 759 Posts |
The Al Thatcher addition mentioned in Trost's "The Card Magic of Nick Trost" pretty much eliminates any suspicion regading the Olram move, if any actually exists in the first place
See pg. 200. Ted L |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
There really ought to be no opportunity to get busted with the Olram subtlety. The flashing of the backs is incidental as you point out which of the eight cards they could have chosen, but didn't, naming their rank and suit. The importance of the backs doesn't register until after their chosen card's back is revealed, at which point the display method ought to be close to forgotten. Even if you do the second phase, the display of all those red backs all of a sudden knocks them off-kilter.
This is kind of off-topic, I guess... I don't know if it was meant for children or not, but I had so much fun doing this one for kids. Actually used ten cards and both of Daryl's phases, and then moved over into the Chicago Opener -- my assistant was charged with trying to find "the special card", which they get to do 4 times. It's basically the way Ammar does it on ETMCM, but with Daryl's extra phase for the 8CB. It's pretty easy to take heat off the small packet just by saying, "Ok, finding the special card with 10 cards is too easy. Now it's time to use the WHOLE DECK." Dump the packet, remove your C.O. deck, and you're set to go. I suppose they're expecting a colour-changing deck to occur (and I had tinkered with possible ideas for ringing one in, but the C.O. ending already played strong) but the two sets of unexpected endings played really strong. |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I understand Mb217-san's strategy of impressing the color of backs by holding a card in both hands, but I think it is a little hindrance to make the climax most dramatic. After showing backs of 7 cards, audience's attention must be concentrated on the selected card.
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n361128 New user Lytham 85 Posts |
Wow this is an old post and I have only just discovered the Olram subtlety - I have had it in my possession for many years (Counts, Cuts and subtleties) but never homed in on it - what I great find (for me anyway - 10 years on from this discussion)
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n361128 New user Lytham 85 Posts |
Wonder how many other gems I have in my bookcase
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Precisely why I recommend working through each book with cards in hand.
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khuzhai New user 77 Posts |
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDqD6Olm9x0
The jaggered cards and when you scoop the cards up to show the backs once again seems to seal the deal for me. Another key is to not bring attention to all 7 cards. My patter is usually: 1. As you can see all the cards have blue backs; rather than 2. As you can see all 7 cards have blue backs. |
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obrienmagic Special user 752 Posts |
Shoot ago taught me a cool version where your faro two different color decks together and deal 8-10 cards face. When you perform the effect, the spectator chooses a read card, however, every other card is indeed blue. No false count needed because the dirty work is done ahead of time.
Now here is the question. Would you rather sacrifice the simplicity of the effect by making it more complicated simply because you want it to be more convincing?
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