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Dave Scribner
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There's always a chance of cooing however, once the dove is in the dark, normally they settle down and don't have a desire to coo. I've never had an accidental coo during my act.
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Thanx Dave, I am also wondering if these dove tricks are good and are safe on my doves:
Dove to Silk Bag(Dove sensation)
Balloon to Dove Tray
Dove Bag(zipper)
Dove From Scarf
I also need another dove vanish, something with power but still under $50.
Please reply,
Thanx Cameron
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Sword Livestock Vanish! Older used one, if possible. (When they were all wood!)

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Lol thanks do you know where I could find a REALLY cheap one?
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Cameron, all of the effects you have mentioned are perfectly safe for your doves. I use or have used all of them for years.
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I need another Vanish do you know one under about $40 please reply
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One last question... What is this "GRIT" stuff about?
What does it consist out of?

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Doves absolutely must have grit. They don't have teeth and the grit helps grind up the seed they eat. It's available in every pet store. There are several different sizes. Just make sure you get the one for parakeets, canaries etc. Finch grit is too small and parrot grit is too large. It's like small stones and sometimes depending on the brand you buy, it contains some nutrients for the birds as well. Oyster shells is an excellent grit for them but it is getting real difficult to find them. The variety on the market right now is more of a sand than a shell. It works but real grit, in my opinion is better.

There are several methods for giving the grit to your doves. One is to mix it it with their food once or twice a week. The other is to provide a separate small container of it. Either way is fine.

You can, and should, give them cracked up egg shells once in awhile. It's a great treat, provides calcium and aids in the digestive process just like grit.
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Do they just like the egg shells or do they also like the usual egg in boiled condition (hard boiled?...dont know if that's correct but I think this should make clear what I mean*lol*)?

Greets

quote from you:
->Treats: Frozen peas, apple, leaf lettuce, peanut butter, millet, mealworms are good
first thing...Why frozen peas(do they eat really cold vegetables?)?
2nd question should the apple be in small pices or smashed up?

Sorry for my bad English.
Posted: Mar 2, 2005 8:56am
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Because I can't edit my post above another question struck me.

Will a single dove be unhappy without other doves (if it's male)?
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Your single dove will survive without a problem there. Happy? Who knows?

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I started out with just one dove. My wife said it looked lonely. About 45 doves later I was in the business of selling them. A single bird will be just fine.

I don't know about all vegetables being frozen but the doves do like frozen peas. I defrost them just a bit so they aren't stuck together though.

Yes, you can give the birds hard boiled eggs. In fact they love them. You don't need to make applesause from the apples but they should be diced into small enough pieces that the doves can eat them easily.
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On 2005-02-14 09:55, Luke Sherratt wrote:
You need to check out the Dove Hotline my friend almost every question you have is answered there go to this address http://www.magicauction.com/DoveHotline/DoveHotline.html it is run by Tony Clark who is one of the best dove workers in the world. His videos are great get them if you are interested in doves. The preferred breed of dove is called a Java dove. And as for male or female birds it is down to personal preference, I can't tell which are the "Better". Bob Sanders who is on the boards is a very very knowledgeable person on doves, as is Dave Scribner and Also so Sperris you might want to talk to those guys if you don't find what you are looking for on Dove Hotline.

Best Wishes,

Luke


Luke,

Guess who started Dove Hotline and wrote it for nearly seven years?

Yours truly,

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Question about grit. Is it OK to mix the grit in with the feed, or is it better to have a separate container? or perhaps it does not make any difference at all?
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I've heard of both ways. Personally, I keep a separate container of grit but I know others mix it in. I don't think it makes any difference as long as they get the grit.
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I have one observation here. Doves seem to prefer sleeping in the dish of grit to the food dish. Home sweet home, I guess.

At many feed stores, you can buy oyster shell grit. It is cheap! This is the additive used in chicken layer rations. It is loaded with calcium and serves the purposes of grit. Thus, egg shells are stronger. If you buy grit, give this stuff a try. Sometimes it is a little dusty. That's OK.

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I'll go out and get some.

The doves I have currently have been around for a LOOOONG time. Probably fifteen years. That cock just doesn't seem to know how to croak. Every day he is at the same antics he has been at for the last fifteen years or so. Crowing his little beak off, bowing and pecking at the hen and just generally acting like an idiot.

I have never (to this point) given him grit. But somehow he has managed to digest his food. The bottom of the cage is the evidence! But now I know better, and I will do differently.
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Hello Doug,

I haven't heard from you in a month of Sundays.

Doves need grit but not a lot. Some people believe that even things like hard cracked corn will do it. (I don't. But I've never been a dove either!)

Where you live there is plenty of course sand. Give the boy a beach. It's fun just to watch them play in it like it's water.

Keep us posted.

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I will!
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My dove hasnt had grit and hes been fine but I'm going to get him som. it sounds very important
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Magic_man204, How long have you had your dove? A dove cannot digest it's food without some type of grit or shell to grind it up. They of course don't have teeth and the grit is important. They can develope serious internal problems without it.

Grit can be sand, tiny stones, real grit from a pet shop, oyster shells or even hard boiled egg shells which are also good for calcium.

This is another good reason why workers like Bob Sanders and myself always tell those interested in dove magic to do their research and learn as much as they can about care, feeding and handling before actually getting a bird.

Since you haven't given your dove any grit, I just wondered if you give them vitamins at all? This is another important item that doves need.
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