

dcobbs New user Portsmouth, England 33 Posts 
I wonder if anyone can help me with this.
I want to be able to force the number nine but so that it seems that the outcome could be any number between say 1 and 100. I am looking for some kind of math based force where the spectator thinks of a number or two numbers and does some kind of fair seeming math and arrives at nine. If someone can point me in the direction of such a force, or a book with such a force in it I'd appreciate it.
Magically yours,
Daniel Cobbs. 
dyddanwy Regular user Chester. UK 107 Posts 
One  fairly simple  method would be to:
1. ask the spectator to choose any two digit number (say 65) 2. have them add the two digits together (6+5 = 11) 3. tell them to take away the total of the two digits from the original number (65  11 = 54) 4. this new number will always be a multiple of nine, so if they repeat step 2 they will find they come to the number nine (5+4 = 9) Of course you will need to add some kind of rationale for all of this... adn some strong scripting to hide the method. I would suggest to them that they will be dooing some simple maths with the number so that it will create a new 'random' number  this, you say, is to eliminate any thoughts that things might have been prearranged... Any help? Jack
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Doc Pepper New user Black Hills of South Dakota 82 Posts 
I like your method Jack but I add a little more to it to really throw the spectator off. After I force the number nine on them, I tell them that I have the coin value in my hand that equals the number they picked... They know they got you because the answer would be 4 and a half and there's no suff coin. They now are more interested in proving me wrong than in figuring out the trick. Well, surprise, surprise.. I open my hand and let 4 pennies fall to the table along with another penny that I have cut in half (4 1/2 cents)... It makes for a good illusion, it throws them off, and it always gets a laugh..
The Doctor will see you now! ;)

paulmagic Loyal user Malaysia, now In New Zealand 290 Posts 
May not be what you want but ...
1. any four digit number (all different numerals) 2. Jumble up the 1st number to make a 2nd four digit number 3. Subtract smaller from larger 4. Add the digits of the new number 5. If total is a 2 digit number, add again 6. Answer will always be nine
Many Blessings!!
Paul 
Doc Pepper New user Black Hills of South Dakota 82 Posts 
Sorry, I left something out  changed the post!!
After I force the number nine on them, I tell them to divide their total in half (divide by 2). Then I tell them I have the coin value in my hand that equals the total they now have... They know they got you because the answer would be 4 and a half and there's no such coin. They now are more interested in proving me wrong than in figuring out the trick. Well, surprise, surprise.. I open my hand and let 4 pennies fall to the table along with another penny that I have cut in half (4 1/2 cents)... It makes for a good illusion, it throws them off, and it always gets a laugh..
The Doctor will see you now! ;)

mentalvic Loyal user 214 Posts 
91 ~ 28 (mod 63)
There she was, a dodgy old prune in a tiara, rushing at me waving a sword. Do all knights suffer this whilst being made?

mentalvic Loyal user 214 Posts 
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On 20050315 14:12, mentalvic wrote: Strange. This was meant for ANOTHER post. Hmmm.
There she was, a dodgy old prune in a tiara, rushing at me waving a sword. Do all knights suffer this whilst being made?

Heinz Weber New user Austria 83 Posts 
1. Get a 3 digit number (all digits different, ex: 123)
2. Flip it around (ex: 321) 3. subtract the smaller from the bigger number (ex.: 321123=198) 4. middle digit is always 9 btw: the outcome is a multiple of 99... (not so different from what paulmagic had to offer) just my 2 cents Heinz 
Parson Smith Inner circle 1939 Posts 
Oce you get a root # 9, any # that you multiply it by will have a root of 9. Any # with a root of 9 can be simplified to 9 by adding digits.
Example: 3*3=9... 9*7=63... 6+3=9. Example: 9*176=1584... 1+5+8+4=18... 8+1=9 Practical example:How many cylinders does your car have/ 4 Multiple that by any # 7 7*4=28 Multiply that # by 9 9*28=252(root 9) Also, any # reversed and subtracted from the original will give a root # of 9. Knowing the secret of 9's can lead to miracles. Good luck.
Here kitty, kitty,kitty.
+++a posse ad esse+++ 
miistermagico Regular user 155 Posts 
Dear dcobbs,
This may interest you: Multiply any whole number by nine (except zero of course) then repeatedly add the digits of the answer till you get a SINGLE digit, and that digit will always be the number NINE. 1,357 x 9= 12,213 (1+2+2+1+3=9) 8,642 x 9= 77,778 (7+7+7+7+8= 36; 3+6=9) Marilyn Vos Savant, Parade, page 17, 23 Sep 2018 Sincerely, miistermagico 
art85y Elite user homean unremarkable spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy 439 Posts 
..and 14 years later still no TY from the OP.
Use the FORCE Luke.

leonard Regular user North Carolina 141 Posts 
At just over two posts per year, he can hardly afford to waste them on "thank you" messages.

Chris K Inner circle 2241 Posts 
I'm shocked (SHOCKED I say!) that nobody has mentioned two really good resources for approaches like this:
http://www.richardbusch.com/mentalism/pr......lease2/ Richard Busch's "Number...Please". I think his website is password protected, so go here first if you can't get in through that link, he thoroughly explains the password: http://www.richardbusch.com/mentalism/ In any case, here is an excerpt from his ad copy of this, see if it intrigues you: Quote:
The common “think of a number, double it, add 10, divide by 2, subtract your original number….” effect has many weaknesses in it, as Richard notes. Why use the number “10?” Why are all of these steps necessary? Let’s face it, people have seen these effects before, and know it’s mathematical. My next recommendation is "Mathematical Wizardry" by Harry Lorayne. Anything by Mr. Lorayne really, but for this discussion, that's the book: http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/store/p......ok).html I bought the physical book when it came out and I will be honest, I was disappointed that it is now in PDF form (I want it all to myself!). But, as they say, if you want to hide something, put it in a book. It'd be impossible to even list all the ways you could force the #9 from the book but I will allude to one example: Look at miistermagico's post. Then imagine you don't have to do it, you can just have a participant pull out their own calculator and just multiple random number after random number (you never touch the calculator), and the result is the same. Mr. Lorayne discusses it. If anyone has either of those resources and wants to talk about it, post here and I'll PM you. Best wishes! 
art85y Elite user homean unremarkable spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy 439 Posts 
As we are on the subject of forcing '9', I would be grateful if somebody would kindly PM me the procedure by L.Vosburgh Lyons called simply "nine"?
Use the FORCE Luke.

saxonia New user 89 Posts 
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On Jul 7, 2019, art85y wrote: It's published in "The Phoenix" #53. Just a variation of the fact that a number minus its digit sum is divisible by 9. I'll send you a PM with some more details. 
art85y Elite user homean unremarkable spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy 439 Posts 
Cheers saxonia, and thx for the PM.
Use the FORCE Luke.

Andy Moss Special user 667 Posts 
[quote]On Jul 3, 2019, Chris K wrote
Look at miistermagico's post. Then imagine you don't have to do it, you can just have a participant pull out their own calculator and just multiple random number after random number (you never touch the calculator), and the result is the same. Mr. Lorayne discusses it. Exactly! Here is an idea for a presentation using such as approach. Print off nine different images taken from the internet onto card and laminate. You will need three duplicates of each image so that makes twentyseven images in total. Use your imagination. Think of a connecting theme such as victims of Jack the Ripper or super heroes or whatever..... You start by taking out all the images from a black velvet bag. Now have your volunteer multiply different single digits randomly together onto a calculator until they obtain a six digit total. Emphasise that the numbers should be "as different as possible and as random as possible". Your back is turned whilst they do this. You do not see anything that is going on. All the images are numbered one to nine discretely on the back. Ignoring any noughts in their total you can now ask them to create their number total using the image numbers to represent the digits within the total and when the face up lineup is complete to mix all the images about on the table. They are then to clear the total from the calculator and to put it upside down so that the display can not be seen and so that the calculator can not be inferfered with. They are then instructed to place all the unused left over images into the black bag which which they originally came. These images are thus also out of sight. Finally they are to take any one of the images away from the others, to place it face down, and to also to put their hand over it to hide it completely. Only then do you turn around to face them. And then you reveal gradually bit by bit the exact image that they are thinking of! 
Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 17358 Posts 
Martin Gardners MMM has a great section on this ...
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....

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