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Memo New user Germany (northrhine-westfalia) 77 Posts |
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Dominic O'Brien's skills are just incredible. In a contest, he would probably easily defeat Harry Lorayne. But, could he step in front of an audience and entertain them and impress them as Harry does? Probably not. He can! I have met him and he is also a great entertainer and trainer. Quote:
Do you know how many of the top 10 ranked use Dominic's system? My guess is that at least half use Dominic's system. Yes, I know. Besides Dominic only a second one of the Top10 uses this system with persons. But all of the top memorizers use technqiues influenced a lot by Dominic O Brien, Harry Lorayne and Tony Buzan and all of those techniques are similar already. I don´t know the exact systems of all of the best, but most of it. The world champion is English man Ben Pridmore. His system is connected with so much work, that no one else did this before: He cas got a image for every combination of two cards. This 52*52 = 2704 images. And then he puts three images on one location on his journey. Of course all systems are based on journies and to have good ways is very important. My system has one image for each card and just one image on one point on your journey. I have explained it in the thread http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......2&11 I will post my whole images-set in the Banquet room. Best regards, Boris
"There have been many claims by magicans and mentalists to the invention of mnemonics; some of the claimants have been world-famous performers - and none of them have a right to their claims!" - Corinda
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Dominic O'Brien has a few books out, which one is the best one for playing card memory?
Tommy
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I agree with B & B Magic in that many of the methods are very similar. In fact it's impossible NOT to find a decent method out there.
I have 3 kids all of whom could recall any 100 items whilst in primary school. Mainly I taught them peg memory, but also 'story telling'. The thing is, for me, over the years I just found the whole thing, from a performance point of view, so incredibly boring. Even today, when I watch memory guys I always feel that many of the audience are saying the same thing; "so what?" Apologies to all the memory guys in here. But I'm sure you're all talented in many other ways. Bobser.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
Bobser,
There is a difference between a memory demonstration and a performance featuring feats of memory, just as there is a difference between a dealer demonstration of a magic item at a booth at a magic convention and a performance by a magician using that item. Yours, Paul |
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DYL New user Sheffield, UK 73 Posts |
Just looking at the Peg System in Harrys book, are these letters pronounced as capitals to get the correct sound?
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2005-02-22 13:26, drwilson wrote: I accept that Paul, but even the best of memory demonstrations I've seen have left me kinda' cold. (I accept that there might be some great ones out there that I've never bumped into). I mean didn't we all do some memory feats when we were starting out, before the VAST majority of us realised we were actually boring ourselves & had more to do with our time? As an example I would cite my friend, Paul. Paul does a memory only act and he's been wearing the same yellow anorak for 23 years. Now then, tell me about it!!! Incidentally Paul is a member of the Café and I 'know' he won't mind me writing this. Final thoughts... It might be absolutely phenomenol but can it actually be ENTERTAINING?
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
I think that almost anything, or perhaps almost nothing, can be entertaining in the hands of the right person. I will give two examples of great performers whose talent vastly exceeds my own (OK, they aren't doing memory acts).
One is Avner the Eccentirc, who is well-known. I watched him hold a large audience spellbound doing almost nothing. He was sweeping the stage before the show with a pushbroom, and trying to get a cigarette out of a pack for a smoke. He did this for perhaps ten minutes, without appearing to care in the least if anyone was watching. The show went on with feats of similar magnitude. For the climax, he did a somersault over the heads of two small children, grapping a newspaper out of the hands of the one in the back. He assumed an applause position and got a standing ovation. This was at the end of a performance of perhaps two hours. Another is the Reverend Chumley. He will perform before a crowd assembled in the street for an hour, during which time he will do five minutes of juggling. I have heard that the Reverend just had a gig with Ward Hall's World of Wonders Sideshow at the Florida State Fair. If performers with this level of talent did memory acts, they would be spellbinding. In my own act, there is a medicine-show framework that occupies most of the time. When I first did this, I thought that it would be entertaining. Many people have come up to me after performances and gone on and on about the script and the performance, never mentioning the feats of memory. One of Doc Eason's most impressive feats of bar magic is revealing the chosen cards of perhaps fifteen people, each in some new way, while remembering each of their names. It stuns people to have someone remember the names of a group of people that they just met. I have talked to people who have seen Doc Eason, and they don't talk about how the magician found their card. A magician is expected to do that. This isn't a memory act, but it is a very fine use of mnemonics to enhance a performance by making a personal connection to each individual. I saw a comic magician in Las Vegas who did the Zip Code feat, and he was very entertaining. He was a good overall entertainer first, with a feat of memory second. Perhaps the problem with this material is that many people who are drawn to it think that they can just exhibit themselves as marvels, like a two-headed baby pig in a jar. I agree that that doesn't work, unless there is a showman outside doing the bally, and a lecturer exhibiting the marvel. Memory performers should be showmen, lecturers, banners, freaks, popcorn and sawdust all in one package. Yours, Paul |
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
I have a FREE download at my website for increasing one's memory if your interested its on my front page. http://www.doctorzodiac.com
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2005-02-23 09:02, drwilson wrote: As you said, they AREN'T doing memory acts!
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
Bobser,
They aren't doing magic, either. Yours, Paul |
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Memo New user Germany (northrhine-westfalia) 77 Posts |
Dear bobser,
I know at least five (German) performers doing memory acts. And they are very sucessfull. I have just started with that and got fantastic reactions. At the beginning I did not attend to do my memory show on a regular base, but after a TV perfomance in a show, I was asked to do a show. And from people, who saw this show, I good bookings for others shows. And that continues. I never did any commercial or marketing for my show, it is not published everywhere, but I get still offers for it. Just because they saw and they liked it. Do you think they whould pay me for something, that bored them? I doubt that.
"There have been many claims by magicans and mentalists to the invention of mnemonics; some of the claimants have been world-famous performers - and none of them have a right to their claims!" - Corinda
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
Perhaps we can agree that if you think that memory effects are boring, then you shouldn't perform them. Performances that don't come from your heart are not fully successful. This does not mean that an individual performer that you might not have seen can't make this material interesting.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Okay okay!!! I give up.
However to 'Memo' I just have to say that I know at least a few magicians/mentalists etc who have actually killed people with boredom and somehow (I don't know how) managed to get rid of the bodies. And yet... they make some kind of full-time living from their act. And... a few of them did memory stuff that had the audiences dribbling saliva. Bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Memo New user Germany (northrhine-westfalia) 77 Posts |
No doubt bobser, just standing there and memorizing a 1000 digit number and recall it afterwards IS TOTALLY BORING and noone would like to see that!
"There have been many claims by magicans and mentalists to the invention of mnemonics; some of the claimants have been world-famous performers - and none of them have a right to their claims!" - Corinda
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AlexWong Veteran user 371 Posts |
I'm actually working through Harry's System after following Osterlinds recommandation in his Memorised BCS.
I'm pretty satisfied with what I'm learning. Do tell me though, how Dominic O'Brien's system is different from Harry's. Does anyone know? |
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
Dear Alex,
I forget. Just kidding! Yours, Paul |
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
Alex, Mentat Wiki has a great article describing Dominic O'Brien's memory system.
You know, hearing the phonetic alphabet system being called "Harry Lorayne's system" is getting to be one of my pet peeves. Once again, here's a history of the phonetic alphabet. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Dominic O'Brien's "How to develop a perfect memory" ebook is published and available as PDF/HTML combo. You can purchase it in USD or Euro for my European friends.
http://www.lybrary.com/books/how_to_develop_memory.html Chris....
Lybrary.com preserving magic one book at a time.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Hey Memo: Please be a bit more careful with your accusations. When did I ever, EVER, say that anyone teaching memory systems stole from me? Please. That's idiotic. I'm talking about some of the current people. I mean, c'mon, Trudeau is the president of the crook of the month club. He is a convicted criminal. Follwed my around and STOLE MY WORDS. Are you listening, Memo? HE STOLE WORDS, IDEAS, ETC. Directly. Question: Where were all these people before my first book, HOW TO DEVELOP A SUPER-POWER MEMORY appeared, in 1956? And, also for Scott Cram, I NEVER SAID I INVENTED ANYTHING - other people say that. What I did was to make the ideas workable. I ALSO MADE THE ENTIRE SUBJECT IMPORTANT!! And, re: stealing, or riding on coattails - do you think using a title like How To Develop A Perfect Memory is NOT one such? Whether you two believe so or not, I started a d..n industry! I could go on and on, but I feel better now. HARRY LORAYNE.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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